I think they're set for their roster players, now comes making sure you have very solid 7/8 guys for the inevitable injuries.
- stashu

That's currently where McCabe/Pysyk/Ruhwedel fit in.

If Eberle is not a Murray guy that concerns me. A 24 year old speed winger who averages 60+ points a season.

Yea Ill take that.
- ImThatGuy

Who knows. Im just going by what he has said and the players he has aquired thus far. If he is availible that is one thing but there are plenty of other players around the league I would rather have over Eberle. Dont get me wrong though I like him alot

Im not worried but you should always have something in the pipeline.
- MCGUIZZY

They do have Brady Austin in Rochester this year as well. But besides him, the only other D I can think of is Florentino. Last I heard, he was having a decent season. He's a college guy, so it's hard to tell when he'll decide to make the jump to pros.

I'd love to give them garbage for gold but that's just not how it works. It's not how any of this works!

If they're willing to trade Skinner, they're rebuilding. And if they're rebuilding, they're not taking on a 2nd and 3rd line UFA talent. They're going to want picks and a good young player. They could use a scoring winger like Stafford (don't laugh) but they'll require a young player ready for the NHL or soon and at least one first. Which is how I came up with my proposal. I don't think the Sabres have any young forwards they can part with comfortably. Maybe Fasching? I mean, I wouldn't want to...but Bailey and Fasching and Compher seem to be pretty similar.
- TheSabresTaco

Then, maybe we don't have what they want so let's not force it would be my take.
I like Skinner, but I'm not tearing down a significant part of the rebuild when we haven't really entered the stage yet where we look to put the finishing touches on. We still need to add players, not trade out good pieces.
I'll wait for the draft and FA to get an additional piece or four...while seeing what I have in the youngins. 2015 isn't the time to do what your suggesting ... IMO into next season is when that starts, and there will be another Carolina/Skinner scenario that comes up then.

Who knows. Im just going by what he has said and the players he has aquired thus far. If he is availible that is one thing but there are plenty of other players around the league I would rather have over Eberle. Dont get me wrong though I like him alot
- MCGUIZZY

Who better than Eberle is reportedly available though?

Then, maybe we don't have what they want so let's not force it would be my take.
I like Skinner, but I'm not tearing down a significant part of the rebuild when we haven't really entered the stage yet where we look to put the finishing touches on. We still need to add players, not trade out good pieces.
I'll wait for the draft and FA to get an additional piece or four...while seeing what I have in the youngins. 2015 isn't the time to do what your suggesting ... IMO into next season is when that starts, and there will be another Carolina/Skinner scenario that comes up then.
- IonSabres

I disagree. If Buffalo Lands one of McEichel. Trade both the ones for Skinner. Get a top line winger here to play alongside of McEichel. It speeds up the process. We lack wing depth.

I still don't think it's a good idea to move either of them right now. I'd be willing to part with Ruhwedel, but mostly because he was a college FA signing and it's possible they could find another one like him.

To your point that it would be 3 years before they'd make a playoff run, I'd love to have guys like Pysyk and McCabe be the depth guys, but by then, they'll actually be on the roster. They need guys to fill in behind them and right now, they just don't have it.
- HonkFortheGoose

I actually don't have anything against them. I've noted several times in the past I like Pysyk more than most and I like McCabe a lot. I'd definitely rather toss Ruhwedel. I just don't know if that gets it done. If it does..do you do:

STL 2015 1
NYI 2015 1 or Buf 2015 2, NYI 2015 2
Ruhwedel
Stafford

I still don't think it's a good idea to move either of them right now. I'd be willing to part with Ruhwedel, but mostly because he was a college FA signing and it's possible they could find another one like him.

To your point that it would be 3 years before they'd make a playoff run, I'd love to have guys like Pysyk and McCabe be the depth guys, but by then, they'll actually be on the roster. They need guys to fill in behind them and right now, they just don't have it.
- HonkFortheGoose

our d depth is not as good as people think

That's currently where McCabe/Pysyk/Ruhwedel fit in.
- HonkFortheGoose

You don't think one or both of Pysyk/McCabe are in the top 6? I picture them both up there with Myers/Gorges/Ristolainen/Zadorov

They do have Brady Austin in Rochester this year as well. But besides him, the only other D I can think of is Florentino. Last I heard, he was having a decent season. He's a college guy, so it's hard to tell when he'll decide to make the jump to pros.
- HonkFortheGoose

Yea Austin I could see being a call up later down the road. Florentino is a little ways off but I like the development so far. Brycen Martin is probably the only other prospect at the moment with NHL potential. Im sure they will be re stocking shelves this upcoming draft though.

I disagree. If Buffalo Lands one of McEichel. Trade both the ones for Skinner. Get a top line winger here to play alongside of McEichel. It speeds up the process. We lack wing depth.
- ImThatGuy

This is generally where my thought process was at. The late firsts will only be about 10 picks away from Buffalo's 2nd anyway.

Who knows. Im just going by what he has said and the players he has aquired thus far. If he is availible that is one thing but there are plenty of other players around the league I would rather have over Eberle. Dont get me wrong though I like him alot
- MCGUIZZY

right now, I have no freakin clue what Murray is thinking

we have 2 descent goalies, and rumor has it he is looking to move one

if your looking to be competitive next season, why move 1?

if your looking to tank next season, move off some of your assets now to ensure you tank properly this season and next

very frustrating

I actually don't have anything against them. I've noted several times in the past I like Pysyk more than most and I like McCabe a lot. I'd definitely rather toss Ruhwedel. I just don't know if that gets it done. If it does..do you do:

STL 2015 1
NYI 2015 1 or Buf 2015 2, NYI 2015 2
Ruhwedel
Stafford
- TheSabresTaco

While Skinner is a very good player, I think that's a lot to give up for him. I don't think they'd want Stafford as he's a UFA. The only teams you're going to be able to move him to are teams that either want him long term or teams that are looking for some extra depth to make a deep playoff run. You're looking at moving 3 picks. Seems a bit too steep for my blood.

I disagree. If Buffalo Lands one of McEichel. Trade both the ones for Skinner. Get a top line winger here to play alongside of McEichel. It speeds up the process. We lack wing depth.
- ImThatGuy

I'm good with trading the other 1sts in 2015 to get Skinner...just not Pysyk nor McCabe being thrown in, and certainly not both.
That is my point.
Trade 2 potential players for 1 proven goal scorer, I'm down with that.

You don't think one or both of Pysyk/McCabe are in the top 6? I picture them both up there with Myers/Gorges/Ristolainen/Zadorov
- stashu

It's not a problem right now, but we're going to have probably 6-7 top 4 D in the next 4 years. That presents a good problem.

You don't think one or both of Pysyk/McCabe are in the top 6? I picture them both up there with Myers/Gorges/Ristolainen/Zadorov
- stashu

w/o playing them 70 plus games a season, we have no clue how they will translate at the nhl level

the weber's and benoits are holding them back

You don't think one or both of Pysyk/McCabe are in the top 6? I picture them both up there with Myers/Gorges/Ristolainen/Zadorov
- stashu

In the future yes, but this season they're 7/8 guys. But next year and on, I think 2 of the 3 will be here. I don't see Murray resigning Benoit as he's been a complete mess and Meszaros probably won't be here either.

Who better than Eberle is reportedly available though?
- ImThatGuy

I don't buy into rumors on who is reportedly available so I really don't know

While Skinner is a very good player, I think that's a lot to give up for him. I don't think they'd want Stafford as he's a UFA. The only teams you're going to be able to move him to are teams that either want him long term or teams that are looking for some extra depth to make a deep playoff run. You're looking at moving 3 picks. Seems a bit too steep for my blood.
- HonkFortheGoose

if skinner is being moved the conversation starts with gringo and pysyk

I want no part of that for an often injured smallish winger

You don't think one or both of Pysyk/McCabe are in the top 6? I picture them both up there with Myers/Gorges/Ristolainen/Zadorov
- stashu

spot on, I think both Pysyk/McCabecan become 3/4's to compete with Myers and Gorges.
That is six solid D-men...you can get the 7th in FA .. and future drafts for the farm/future.

right now, I have no freakin clue what Murray is thinking

we have 2 descent goalies, and rumor has it he is looking to move one

if your looking to be competitive next season, why move 1?

if your looking to tank next season, move off some of your assets now to ensure you tank properly this season and next

very frustrating
- homiedclown

I think next season is much less "tank" than we've seen these last 2. Next season they finish 22-27, picking up 1 more vet somewhere, "equal" parts as to what may get lost in FA/trades (if picks come back), and some time with more AHLers to come up to the big team.

It's not a problem right now, but we're going to have probably 6-7 top 4 D in the next 4 years. That presents a good problem.
- TheSabresTaco

a top 4 d man on the sabres does not translate to a top 4 d man on a cup contending team

I actually don't have anything against them. I've noted several times in the past I like Pysyk more than most and I like McCabe a lot. I'd definitely rather toss Ruhwedel. I just don't know if that gets it done. If it does..do you do:

STL 2015 1
NYI 2015 1 or Buf 2015 2, NYI 2015 2
Ruhwedel
Stafford
- TheSabresTaco

done.

I think next season is much less "tank" than we've seen these last 2. Next season they finish 22-27, picking up 1 more vet somewhere, "equal" parts as to what may get lost in FA/trades (if picks come back), and some time with more AHLers to come up to the big team.
- stashu

it seems like we are in a holding pattern, and rochester is a train wreck


I expected more at least on the ahl level

While Skinner is a very good player, I think that's a lot to give up for him. I don't think they'd want Stafford as he's a UFA. The only teams you're going to be able to move him to are teams that either want him long term or teams that are looking for some extra depth to make a deep playoff run. You're looking at moving 3 picks. Seems a bit too steep for my blood.
- HonkFortheGoose

Well..talent aint cheap. Only reason I put Staff in there is so that they can resign him to replace Semin. Because he's awful. I don't think it's a terrible offer, and we may be giving up a bit too much, but Carolina doesn't need to move him either and as far as I'm concerned, I don't see any elite or Skinner level talent in our organization. Even if we pretend Armia can hit that level, you still have a line of Skinner-McEichel-Armia.