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GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 11 @ 9:34 AM ET
It sure sounds like you are blaming him for everything. In fact that's exactly what it sounds like.If he's not playing well in a certain role, get credit and find another avenue. The best Coaches can do this.

It's safe to say Giroux and Voracek are our bread and butter but this fear to split them to spread things out isn't trying everything to jump start the team. Toews and Kane can play together and they can play apart. Crosby and Malkin, the same. Datsyuk and Zetterberg, same thing. You might be amazed when you try something new. Berube is doing the same things he did at the end of last season.

- SuperSchennBros

Berube has a stone head...
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 11 @ 9:35 AM ET
Huh? What are you saying? Umberger is on the third line.
- SuperSchennBros


He needs to be on the 4th, everyone but Berube can see that
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 11 @ 9:35 AM ET
What the hell would you like Hextall to do?

He's saddled with bad contracts that are all but impossible to move. And when it comes to the guys he can and should move, he needs to wait till the deadline to get max value. Hextall is not looking to make moves to figure out a way to just barely squeak into the 2015 playoffs, he's looking for moves to make this team a top cup contender in 2 or 3 years. Live with it.

- BiggE


Agree. Hextall pretty much said as much in the begining of the year that it might be a step back to take 2 forward. If he makes moves it will be at the deadline when playoff teams need defenseman and forward depth going into the playoffs. He can get teams bidding against each other for the best offer.

No reason to make a desperate move now where his guys don't hold the value they would have if a playoff team lost a player to injury before a crucial run.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 11 @ 9:36 AM ET

And that is franking BAD...but at least Vinny knows what direction the other teams net is ,and we can't score right now...so maybe just maybe he can put one in.

- 3flyerkids


Outside of 5 on 3, Vinny can't get himself in position to score
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 11 @ 9:36 AM ET
What the hell would you like Hextall to do?

He's saddled with bad contracts that are all but impossible to move. And when it comes to the guys he can and should move, he needs to wait till the deadline to get max value. Hextall is not looking to make moves to figure out a way to just barely squeak into the 2015 playoffs, he's looking for moves to make this team a top cup contender in 2 or 3 years. Live with it.

- BiggE

Why does he have to wait until the deadline to get max value? what is the max value on an Andrew MacDonald, Braydon Coburn or Matt Read? Please explain in detail.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 11 @ 9:37 AM ET
It sure sounds like you are blaming him for everything. In fact that's exactly what it sounds like.If he's not playing well in a certain role, get credit and find another avenue. The best Coaches can do this.

It's safe to say Giroux and Voracek are our bread and butter but this fear to split them to spread things out isn't trying everything to jump start the team. Toews and Kane can play together and they can play apart. Crosby and Malkin, the same. Datsyuk and Zetterberg, same thing. You might be amazed when you try something new. Berube is doing the same things he did at the end of last season.

- SuperSchennBros


I don't care if Berube doesn't split apart Giroux/Voracek, but to say that he hasn't been creative with Vinny is simply asinine -- he has played on every single line since he has been a Flyer, at all three positions. He has played on three lines THIS season.

Berube isn't Scotty Bowman, but VLC has been given every opportunity to not be awful
deadmau5
St Louis Blues
Location: i will jmatchett you before you can say sorry, MA
Joined: 10.28.2010

Dec 11 @ 9:37 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 12/11/14 vs. NJ, Gagne Family, Jeff Burd Memorial
- bmeltzer

Flyers 5 Devils 0
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 11 @ 9:37 AM ET
He needs to be on the 4th, everyone but Berube can see that
- BiggE

We're in total agreement there.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 11 @ 9:39 AM ET
Why does he have to wait until the deadline to get max value? what is the max value on an Andrew MacDonald, Braydon Coburn or Matt Read? Please explain in detail.
- SuperSchennBros

Thats a tough one. Id say the player with the most value there is Coburn and he MIGHT command a 2nd rd. pick at best
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 11 @ 9:40 AM ET
Outside of 5 on 3, Vinny can't get himself in position to score
- BiggE

Even on the PP he cant control the puck and shoots it wide or weak.
Fast_Eddie_1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Vorhees, NJ
Joined: 01.31.2012

Dec 11 @ 9:40 AM ET
i would always circle these games on the calendar, because i hate that (frank)ing franchise and their (frank)ing fans with a (frank)ing passion. even though i was pretty sure we'd lose 2-1 in the final 5 minutes of a mind numbing 3rd period or get blown out 5-0...i still got up for these, and would even make my annual visit to the meadowlands for one of them. that i don't care bothers me.
- hammarby31



all 57 of them? Ouch.

I used to be an Eagles fan in addition to being a Flyers fan, but hockey was always #1 to me. I lost interest in the Eagles and now, on occasion, I even forget when the Flyers are scheduled to play whereas in the past, I would get amped up. I just can't identify with this team. Ughh...it upsets me that I've been lackadaisical these past few years. I see no commitment to a long term plan...and the fact that we keep acquiring these bandaids/retreads/once good players past their prime type of players just annoys the &*(^ out of me.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 11 @ 9:41 AM ET
Flyers 5 Devils 0
- deadmau5

I want what you're having.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 11 @ 9:41 AM ET
I don't care if Berube doesn't split apart Giroux/Voracek, but to say that he hasn't been creative with Vinny is simply asinine -- he has played on every single line since he has been a Flyer, at all three positions. He has played on three lines THIS season.

Berube isn't Scotty Bowman, but VLC has been given every opportunity to not be awful

- AllInForFlyers

No, it's not asinine. Vinny has played on every line since being here but your post is like saying Lecavalier has had zero success or zero chemistry as a Flyer, which is asinine within itself.
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Dec 11 @ 9:41 AM ET
He needs to be on the 4th, everyone but Berube can see that
- BiggE

Phantoms 4th

deadmau5
St Louis Blues
Location: i will jmatchett you before you can say sorry, MA
Joined: 10.28.2010

Dec 11 @ 9:42 AM ET
I want what you're having.
- GOA88

Sorrow?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 11 @ 9:42 AM ET
Thats a tough one. Id say the player with the most value there is Coburn and he MIGHT command a 2nd rd. pick at best
- GOA88

Go back to your Xbox.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 11 @ 9:43 AM ET
Sorrow?
- deadmau5

Delusional expectations
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 11 @ 9:44 AM ET
Go back to your Xbox.
- SuperSchennBros

Oh yea? What do you think he's worth? Hmmm??
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 11 @ 9:45 AM ET
Why does he have to wait until the deadline to get max value? what is the max value on an Andrew MacDonald, Braydon Coburn or Matt Read? Please explain in detail.
- SuperSchennBros


Right now teams know the Flyers are desperate to make a move. Also there is still time for other things to happen and playoff spots aren't confirmed yet.

Once the TDL comes close teams have a better understanding on what they need to make a run and teams might be more desperate if they see another team made a move that they will have to compete with.

Maybe Coburn gets a 2nd and 3rd now for example. At the TDL if a team lost their number 2 or 3 guy Coburn now becomes worht a first if the team has Stanley Cup assperations.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 11 @ 9:46 AM ET
Right now teams know the Flyers are desperate to make a move. Also there is still time for other things to happen and playoff spots aren't confirmed yet.

Once the TDL comes close teams have a better understanding on what they need to make a run and teams might be more desperate if they see another team made a move that they will have to compete with.

Maybe Coburn gets a 2nd and 3rd now for example. At the TDL if a team lost their number 2 or 3 guy Coburn now becomes worht a first if the team has Stanley Cup assperations.

- J35Bacher

SuperSchennBros says "Go back to your Xbox"
deadmau5
St Louis Blues
Location: i will jmatchett you before you can say sorry, MA
Joined: 10.28.2010

Dec 11 @ 9:46 AM ET
Delusional expectations
- GOA88

No I don't expect a win
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 11 @ 9:47 AM ET
No I don't expect a win
- deadmau5

Well you expect the Flyers to win.....
Fast_Eddie_1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Vorhees, NJ
Joined: 01.31.2012

Dec 11 @ 9:48 AM ET
Why does he have to wait until the deadline to get max value? what is the max value on an Andrew MacDonald, Braydon Coburn or Matt Read? Please explain in detail.
- SuperSchennBros


MJL 2.0
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 11 @ 9:48 AM ET
SuperSchennBros says "Go back to your Xbox"
- GOA88



Look at previous market trades.

Douglas Murray got 2 2nd rounders last year.
Kabina got 2nd and 3rd rounder


If the Flyers wait until the deadline they can possibly get a 1st rounder for Coburn depending on teams and needs for the playoffs.
twotoekenn
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: perkasie, PA
Joined: 12.16.2009

Dec 11 @ 9:48 AM ET
SuperSchennBros says "Go back to your Xbox"
- GOA88


Is that the new " Now go get you franking shine box!"
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