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BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 15 @ 4:19 PM ET
I'm not even getting into this political garbage.. *gets into that political garbage*
- WarriorHockey21

oh
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Dec 15 @ 4:20 PM ET
Yes, but the hardest thing to find is that franchise #1 elite defender. If you build a solid enough team around him, you can win with a Nikolai Khabibulin or a J.S. Giguere or an Anttii Niemi...good, quality starters but not elite goalies.
- jmatchett383


Im just saying that based on need at this point i would rather get rinne and weber vs weber and forseberg...they have enough forwards, why add forseberg?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 15 @ 4:20 PM ET
Realistically, Bettman can do anything that the CBA doesn't explicitly says he CAN'T do.
- jmatchett383

But can he see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 15 @ 4:20 PM ET
Thinking Bettman cancels it? Coincidentally, I only just found out he could do that while surfing through the summary of terms a couple days ago while sorting some PDFs.
- BulliesPhan87



There's lots of "moral clauses" written into an SPC. If he's convicted, I think the contract will be terminated.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 15 @ 4:21 PM ET
Im just saying that based on need at this point i would rather get rinne and weber vs weber and forseberg...they have enough forwards, why add forseberg?
- PhillaBully


They don't have enough forwards, actually. They have Hall, RNH, Eberle, and Yaks. That's 1 superstar, 1 good center, 1 overrated but still good winger, and one player "full of potential." I think that you could add more parts (Ellis/Josi and/or 1st rounder) with Forsberg than with Rinne.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 15 @ 4:22 PM ET
Act now! Receive one complimentary, gourmet, deluxe, stay at home defenseman. It's our way of saying thank you.
- PhillySportsGuy


jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 15 @ 4:22 PM ET
But can he see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?
- BulliesPhan87


No one can. He's not Superman.

Or is he?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 15 @ 4:23 PM ET
There's lots of "moral clauses" written into an SPC. If he's convicted, I think the contract will be terminated.
- MJL


If that happened, Voynov wouldn't be out of work long.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 15 @ 4:23 PM ET
If that happened, Voynov wouldn't be out of work long.
- Tomahawk

he would if he was in jail
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 15 @ 4:23 PM ET
If that happened, Voynov wouldn't be out of work long.
- Tomahawk



You think someone will sign him when he's been convicted of a felony? I guess it would depend on what his sentence is.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 15 @ 4:23 PM ET
he would if he was in jail
- BulliesPhan87


Work release?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 15 @ 4:24 PM ET
You think someone will sign him when he's been convicted of a felony?
- MJL


See: Vick, Michael
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 15 @ 4:26 PM ET
See: Vick, Michael
- jmatchett383



I should've been clearer. I'm thinking along the lines that he serves some time. When he gets out, sure.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 15 @ 4:27 PM ET
Work release?
- jmatchett383

idk how that works, but if/when he's found guilty, I imagine it would really bother a lot of people if he was allowed to pursue his career while serving his sentence
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 15 @ 4:28 PM ET
You think someone will sign him when he's been convicted of a felony? I guess it would depend on what his sentence is.
- MJL


Billy Tibbetts.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 15 @ 4:29 PM ET

- Tomahawk


Writing that made me go back and watch Carlins advertising lullaby again
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 15 @ 4:29 PM ET
Billy Tibbetts.
- Tomahawk


Rick Vaughn

http://www.minorleaguebal...ricky-vaughn-career-stats
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 15 @ 4:30 PM ET
idk how that works, but if/when he's found guilty, I imagine it would really bother a lot of people if he was allowed to pursue his career while serving his sentence
- BulliesPhan87


I sure as hell don't want the flyers signing him. Don't care how desperate we are for a defenseman
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 15 @ 4:31 PM ET
You think someone will sign him when he's been convicted of a felony? I guess it would depend on what his sentence is.
- MJL


Seriously tho... all his wife has to do is not cooperate w/ the investigation/trial and/or change her story completely and he's probably out of the woods.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 15 @ 4:32 PM ET
I sure as hell don't want the flyers signing him. Don't care how desperate we are for a defenseman
- PhillySportsGuy


That goes back to my question of team character. What if the Flyers won a Cup, but to do it, they had to fill the roster with the likes of Ulf Samuelsson, Dan Carcillo, Matthew Barnaby, Sean Avery, etc (assume they all are currently playing in the NHL). Would you be okay with it?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 15 @ 4:33 PM ET
That goes back to my question of team character. What if the Flyers won a Cup, but to do it, they had to fill the roster with the likes of Ulf Samuelsson, Dan Carcillo, Matthew Barnaby, Sean Avery, etc (assume they all are currently playing in the NHL). Would you be okay with it?
- jmatchett383


Being an bumhole on the ice is different than beating a woman half to death.

Eagles are desperate for a QB but I wouldn't want them to draft Winston even if he was available to them at their draft slot. I think he's going to be good too.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 15 @ 4:36 PM ET
That goes back to my question of team character. What if the Flyers won a Cup, but to do it, they had to fill the roster with the likes of Ulf Samuelsson, Dan Carcillo, Matthew Barnaby, Sean Avery, etc (assume they all are currently playing in the NHL). Would you be okay with it?
- jmatchett383


Outside of Philadelphia, some would say that's exactly how they won the Cup in the '70's. Watch that Broad Street Bullies documentary that HBO put out; fans and writers outside of Philly were genuinely happy the Habs beat the Flyers in '76.

Now, I know how many skilled guys those teams had, but all anyone else thinks about is the fights.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Dec 15 @ 4:53 PM ET
Billy Tibbetts.
- Tomahawk


But Tibbetts has much more use to the Flyers than Voynov.

Non skilled goons > competent defensemen. "Flyers logic"
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 15 @ 4:53 PM ET
But Tibbetts has much more use to the Flyers than Voynov.

Non skilled goons > competent defensemen. "Flyers logic"

- PLindbergh31

good1
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 15 @ 5:05 PM ET
Seriously tho... all his wife has to do is not cooperate w/ the investigation/trial and/or change her story completely and he's probably out of the woods.
- Tomahawk


I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. There's lots of states that have different rules where a lot of times, that may not matter. Have to let it play out.
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