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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 17 @ 11:10 AM ET
Somebody needs to buy you a thesaurus for Xmas.
- Tomahawk



And I would suggest some educational books, magazines, or videos on the sport of hockey for you.

Maybe we can do an HB pollyanna?
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:13 AM ET
As much as I think Asian girls are overrated...god damn. Her legs are like 50 feet long.
- jmatchett383

they should pay her more than Macdonald to lift up fan spirit
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 17 @ 11:13 AM ET
getting heated up in hrr
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 17 @ 11:15 AM ET
getting heated up in hrr
- BulliesPhan87



Hockey related revenue is growing? Go salary cap.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 17 @ 11:15 AM ET


Draft has always been my favorite day of the hockey calendar, but this year's going to be extra sweet. I've got so many favorites already, Marner among them.

- Tomahawk


I hope they draft Tom Wilson part deux and you get all upset
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 17 @ 11:15 AM ET
Uh, Nick Schultz was last nights Barry Ashbee recipient. Not debatable.
- Tomahawk


Agreed
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:16 AM ET
It is, that's why he got what he got in Free Agency. That's how free agency works.
- MJL


He signed his extension in April, not free agency. Presumably to get him before he could sign elsewhere and for a lesser price than free agency. He signed for 6 years/$30m as you know ($5m cap hit). Other FA dmen and their contracts:

Mark Fayne (4 years/$3.625m cap hit)
Dan Boyle (2 years/$4.5m)
Tom Gilbert (2 years/$$2.8m)
Christian Ehrhoff (1 year/$4m)
Anton Stralman (5 years/$4.5m)
Andrej Meszaros (1 year/$4.125m)
Brooks Orpik (5 years/$5.5m)
Stephane Robidas (3 years/$3m)
Matt Niskanen (7 years/$5.75m)
Willie Mitchell (2 years/4.25m)

Given these guys, I guess AMac got about market value although Niskanen and Orpik have a lot more years that NHL execs perceive as "good". AMac hasn't done much in his career. I think it's totally plausible that the Flyers jumped the gun much like the Phillies did with Papelbon.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:16 AM ET
I hope they draft Tom Wilson part deux and you get all upset
- PhillySportsGuy


With the 14th pick in the 2015 NHL Entry Draft, the Philadelphia Flyers are proud to again select Garrett Klotz.
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:16 AM ET
who wins the ashbee trophy this year?

They shouldnt even hand it out...
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Dec 17 @ 11:16 AM ET
MacDonald was signed for 6 years. How do you base if the deal was worth it or not, based on the results of one season?
- MJL


My point wasn't really that he isn't worth 6 years 30 million. He may of got a similar deal from another team. I personally wouldn't give him that deal as I feel what he does can be found for cheaper.

My point was that when you take the entire package we gave up for Amac, I don't like it at all. That 2015 second rounder may prove to be extremely valuable.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:17 AM ET
who wins the ashbee trophy this year?

They shouldnt even hand it out...

- PhillaBully


Couturier.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 17 @ 11:19 AM ET
Hockey related revenue is growing? Go salary cap.
- MJL

Go away salary cap, mirite?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 17 @ 11:19 AM ET
I hope they draft Tom Wilson part deux and you get all upset
- PhillySportsGuy


Happy Hannakuh to you too.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 17 @ 11:19 AM ET
He signed his extension in April, not free agency. Presumably to get him before he could sign elsewhere and for a lesser price than free agency. He signed for 6 years/$30m as you know ($5m cap hit). Other FA dmen and their contracts:

Mark Fayne (4 years/$3.625m cap hit)
Dan Boyle (2 years/$4.5m)
Tom Gilbert (2 years/$$2.8m)
Christian Ehrhoff (1 year/$4m)
Anton Stralman (5 years/$4.5m)
Andrej Meszaros (1 year/$4.125m)
Brooks Orpik (5 years/$5.5m)
Stephane Robidas (3 years/$3m)
Matt Niskanen (7 years/$5.75m)
Willie Mitchell (2 years/4.25m)

Given these guys, I guess AMac got about market value although Niskanen and Orpik have a lot more years that NHL execs perceive as "good". AMac hasn't done much in his career. I think it's totally plausible that the Flyers jumped the gun much like the Phillies did with Papelbon.

- NickTheKid87


MacDonald had an asking price, and he was going to get that from the Flyers or he would have tested free agency. Whether he signed with the Flyers in April or not, he was still negotiating with UFA leverage.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 17 @ 11:19 AM ET
Couturier.
- jmatchett383


Him or Mason
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 17 @ 11:20 AM ET
Go away salary cap, mirite?
- BulliesPhan87


You have my vote, urrite.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:20 AM ET

Him or Mason

- BiggE


Would make just as much sense.

In reality, it's Streit, hands down.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 17 @ 11:20 AM ET
And I would suggest some educational books, magazines, or videos on the sport of hockey for you.

Maybe we can do an HB pollyanna?

- MJL


I see I hit a nerve, lol.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:20 AM ET
MacDonald had an asking price, and he was going to get that from the Flyers or he would have tested free agency. Whether he signed with the Flyers in April or not, he was still negotiating with UFA leverage.
- MJL


In that case, the Flyers may have been better off waiting until free agency. I don't think it's that big of a deal if AMac walks compared to possibly overpaying him for 6 years.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:21 AM ET
Go away salary cap, mirite?
- BulliesPhan87


BRING BACK THE RED LINE, TOUCH ICING, WOODEN STICKS, AND THE ICE GIRLS!
GO AWAY TRAPEZOID, INSTIGATOR RULE, AND BRAD MARCHAND!
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 17 @ 11:21 AM ET
Hmm, so all of our opinions are just opinions, cept for 1 guy whose opinions are facts.

Welcome to Planet Bizzarro
Artyukhin76
Tampa Bay Lightning
Joined: 07.25.2009

Dec 17 @ 11:22 AM ET
He signed his extension in April, not free agency. Presumably to get him before he could sign elsewhere and for a lesser price than free agency. He signed for 6 years/$30m as you know ($5m cap hit). Other FA dmen and their contracts:

Mark Fayne (4 years/$3.625m cap hit)
Dan Boyle (2 years/$4.5m)
Tom Gilbert (2 years/$$2.8m)
Christian Ehrhoff (1 year/$4m)
Anton Stralman (5 years/$4.5m)
Andrej Meszaros (1 year/$4.125m)
Brooks Orpik (5 years/$5.5m)
Stephane Robidas (3 years/$3m)
Matt Niskanen (7 years/$5.75m)
Willie Mitchell (2 years/4.25m)

Given these guys, I guess AMac got about market value although Niskanen and Orpik have a lot more years that NHL execs perceive as "good". AMac hasn't done much in his career. I think it's totally plausible that the Flyers jumped the gun much like the Phillies did with Papelbon.

- NickTheKid87


BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 17 @ 11:22 AM ET
Would make just as much sense.

In reality, it's Streit, hands down.

- jmatchett383


yup
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:23 AM ET

- Artyukhin76


Go back to Moscow, and take your 19 career goals with you.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 17 @ 11:24 AM ET
yup

- BiggE


Man, watching Tyler Johnson turn 8 and 32 into pilons last night... our D sucks.
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