- Tomahawk

Think it was just normal Flyers ideology. They needed to shore up D for playoffs. MacDonald was available and somewhat filled their perceived needs.
- Jsaquella

Yeah seems about right. The extension though...I feel they severely jumped the gun, especially on the length. Comparing it to other UFA deals, it seems reasonable that 6 years would warrant a lesser cap hit. Maybe $4m. Who knows how things would have played out though.

Flyers have an optional practice, reportedly less than half the players show up.
Very interesting.

Lol…Just to add to the MacDonald debate. Since arriving, he's scored 7 ES points in 38 games. That equates to about 15 ES points per 82 games. To put that in perspective, Grossmann has the exact same average over the last 2 seasons (108 games).

MacDonald only has 3 PP points in 38 games despite seeing regular time on the second unit.

Those really aren't numbers of a puck moving Dman. His numbers were inflated in NY because he played 25+ minutes each night and was on the top PP unit.

His offensive play is all about relativity. When you compare him to the Flyers defenseman, he's a solid offensive player. When you look at him compared to the 179 other starting defenseman in the NHL, he's probably average. That might be generous too.
- PhillySportsGuy

So full of bias, flawed stats and hyperbola.

Yeah seems about right. The extension though...I feel they severely jumped the gun, especially on the length. Comparing it to other UFA deals, it seems reasonable that 6 years would warrant a lesser cap hit. Maybe $4m. Who knows how things would have played out though.
- NickTheKid87

For what he brings, a comparable defenseman could have been had for a lot less, as has been argued. Just another bad contract to go with quite a few others.

Flyers have an optional practice, reportedly less than half the players show up.
Very interesting.
- PLindbergh31

They're good. Got the rest of the league right where they want em.

Was Vinny there? Maybe getting Chief donuts and filling his coffee cup?

Matt Carle would be the best defender of the Flyers this season.

He'd also be getting picked apart on here every day.
- jmatchett383

I don't care one way or another, but I would apply this statement to Amac, coburn, and streit currently.

So full of bias, flawed stats and hyperbola.
- Tomahawk

Have you been able to have any viewings of Werenski?
- Tomahawk

Not enough

- PLindbergh31

You been hangin' out with Flyersgod lately?

To be fair, Tyler Johnson does that to the best of defenseman. This is him doing it to Yandle:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mMnk5dj75vs
- Artyukhin76

Yandle is not very good at the actual defensive aspect of the game though.

- Artyukhin76

Seriously tho... nice that you guys are so deep you can complain about a guy who's underlying numbers are still really strong. It's been so long I almost forget what that feels like.

Whereas our scapegoats are actually terrible.

Flyers have an optional practice, reportedly less than half the players show up.
Very interesting.
- PLindbergh31

Looks like the coach has officially lost his team... and doesn't remember where he put them...

You been hangin' out with Flyersgod lately?
- PhillySportsGuy

Flyersgod is my alt.

They're good. Got the rest of the league right where they want em.

Was Vinny there? Maybe getting Chief donuts and filling his coffee cup?
- wolfhounds

VLC is in charge of Berube's stupid pills.

You been hangin' out with Flyersgod lately?
- PhillySportsGuy

Oh man, you're about to get Cheney'd!

Flyers have an optional practice, reportedly less than half the players show up.
Very interesting.
- PLindbergh31

mumps scare

VLC is in charge of Berube's stupid pills.
- PLindbergh31

Unless there has been word from the top to be a bad team, Vinny is doing his job admirably.

Flyersgod is my alt.
- PLindbergh31

VLC is in charge of Berube's stupid pills.
- PLindbergh31

Oh man, you're about to get Cheney'd!
- wolfhounds

I loved that guy. Had no self control. You could have held a gun to his head and told him not to talk politics and he wouldn't have been able to hold back

So full of bias, flawed stats and hyperbola.
- Tomahawk

Imagine how much easier this season would be to take if they had VL, Umberger, Grossmann and AMac on expiring deals

Seriously tho... nice that you guys are so deep you can complain about a guy who's underlying numbers are still really strong. It's been so long I almost forget what that feels like.

Whereas our scapegoats are actually terrible.
- Tomahawk

Carle can be SOOOO infuriating at times. Our depth has improved, but it took a long, long time of being the laughingstock of the NHL. Now we're just not annoying team that everyone thinks is overrated.

On a completely different subject, what did you think of are future possible franchise goalie in Vasilevski?

I loved that guy. Had no self control. You could have held a gun to his head and told him not to talk politics and he wouldn't have been able to hold back
- PhillySportsGuy

Definitely entertaining, if completely predictable.

I feel a visual representation of those discussions is needed: