No way. Letang has been an anchor in all situations. Let's just play pretend and say he sid waive his NTC to go there, I'd want hall and yaks
- drummer829

What the hell?

Hey

What's it called when you drain the oil, change only the filter, and dump the same dirty oil back into the crankcase?

Is it still an Oil Change?

I would nottrade maatta straight up for hall... that is a loss in a few years unless maatta ends up with bennettitis
- ChrisMS

I'm sorry what? There are few wingers better than Hall, less than 5, if that.
Matta is cool and all but he may never reach potential. Hall is already there.

I would nottrade maatta straight up for hall... that is a loss in a few years unless maatta ends up with bennettitis
- ChrisMS

You're bat sh*t crazy.

What the hell?
- usethe1-2-2

Takes on every role, PP/Pk, he's on the ice when they are down a goal with a minute left, or trying to protect the lead. The Penguins have always been worse without letang. Out of the top 10 defensive point leaders, letang was one of the highest for average time on ice short handed. It appears pouliot may be able to replace his offensive skills soon, but he's not close to the defensive part, and neither is maatta IMO.

If they trade Maatta I riot

Yep, everyone sees it as we can upgrade sutter to hall by losing maatta and a first! Deal! What they don't realize is that we are taking on an extra 3 million in that trade, losing depth on offense to be a two trick pony again, and also losing an ELC contract for a top 4 dman. Say we lose martin and hoff, half our defense are rookies. But our rookies are the best! We haven't seen them in the bigs, plus we don't have any more depth at d at all. No depth at D, no depth at O. PASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
- znagle

Then what's the point of having depth at defense if you can't trade those players for positions that you are weak in? With this line of thinking the Penguins shouldn't move any defensemen at all then and they should stay put for the rest of the season. So you really believe that if the Penguins lose Martin and Ehrhoff then they wouldn't go out and get at least one replacement through FA?

Takes on every role, PP/Pk, he's on the ice when they are down a goal with a minute left, or trying to protect the lead. The Penguins have always been worse without letang. Out of the top 10 defensive point leaders, letang was one of the highest for average time on ice short handed. It appears pouliot may be able to replace his offensive skills soon, but he's not close to the defensive part, and neither is maatta IMO.
- drummer829

I think your definition of anchor and his are different.. I usually use the term as a bad thing... an anchor that weighs down the team...

Ok, still working on this...

Harrington and Sutter for ROR and Talbot?
Harrington, Sutter, Spaling for ROR and Tanguay?

We're taking on a buttload of salary but I think we can handle it with Dupuis' cap relief...just guessing, would need to look at it.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I would do that, even if the Avs had to retain, lots of room to do that after that trade

Tanguay ($3.5m) / Duchene ($6.0m) / Iginla ($5.3m)
Landeskog ($5.5m) / Sutter ($3.3m) / MacKinnon ($0.9m)
McGinn ($2.9m) / Mitchell ($1.8m) / Everberg ($0.6m)
McLeod ($1.1m) / Winchester ($0.9m) / Briere ($4.0m)
Bordeleau ($1.0m)

DEFENSEMEN
Hejda ($3.2m) / Johnson ($3.7m)
Harrington ($0.6m) / Tson Barrie ($2.6m)
Stuart ($3.6m) / Redmond ($0.7m)
Holden ($0.6m) / Elliott ($0.8m)
GOALTENDERS
Varlamov ($5.9m)
Pickard ($0.8m)

BUYOUTS
Zanon ($0.7m)
BURIED
Berra ($0.5m)
LTIR
Wilson ($2.2m)

(estimations for 2014-15 crunched using simulation date of 2014-12-17)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; BONUSES: $3,214,167
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $8,292,794

Ha I'm curious to see how many switch positions today after reading this one. I mentioned it yesterday and was taken to task. Sutter is a god was the most common response. My deal didn't even include Maatta so I can't imagine what's going to go down here.
- dbell646

I'm standing by my No. If we're waiting 'til the off-season, I think the wing situation can be fixed without shredding the depth of the team.

It's fun to fantasize about, but I think the Oil will be expecting a huge over-payment.

I think your definition of anchor and his are different.. I usually use the term as a bad thing... an anchor that weighs down the team...
- j.boyd919

Oh haha. I use it as the thing that keeps the team stable and relied on. I mean letang is the anchor for a ship at port during a storm. In that case, the anchor is a good thing

I demand Talbot's return.
- Victoro311

Hes been playing pretty well this year, when he isnt playing with scrubs on the 4th line, he looked pretty good when he was on a line with Mitchell and Briere

Some perspective

Cullen, 26, is the fifth-leading scorer in the NHL this season with 31 goals and 94 points in 65 games. A gutsy player at 5-10, 185, he helped carry the Penguins' offense during Mario Lemieux's absence in the first four months of the season.

Zalapski, 22, was the Penguins' first-round draft choice in 1986 and has shown glimpses of brilliance, although his career here has been speckled with injuries and inconsistency. The 6-1, 210 pounders had 12 goals and 48 points in 66 games this season.

per Tom McMillan

Takes on every role, PP/Pk, he's on the ice when they are down a goal with a minute left, or trying to protect the lead. The Penguins have always been worse without letang. Out of the top 10 defensive point leaders, letang was one of the highest for average time on ice short handed. It appears pouliot may be able to replace his offensive skills soon, but he's not close to the defensive part, and neither is maatta IMO.
- drummer829

Oh ok, I thought you meant anchor in a bad way. I apologize. I feel the same way actually.

Do you think you could take on the contract? Hall would score 60 next to EM/SC but it could really ruin your depth in a few years.
- Danformo

Hall is a tremendous player without question. He would put up eye popping numbers with Malkin or Crosby. That isn't up for debate. However people fail to realize the cap situation as well as the depth it would take to acquire him. Not too long ago, I remember another NY team trading for a superstar from Columbus. There wasn't really a big name that went the other way, but that trade gutted the depth of the NY team and helped fortify the other team with needed pieces.

Our top six, if heathy, would thrive, however we would be in the same position we were in last year in the bottom six. Add in the fact giving up a Maatta and a D prospect and you have Martin and Ehrhoff as pending free agents ... your depth that you once had would be challenged.

Bottom line ... in a capped situation and you have Crosby, Malkin, Letang north of 7 million per and you add another around six ... you will have problems shaping your roster after that.

So, can we both agree Yonk1216 doesn't know much about hockey?
- Oneonta Penguin

HAHA at least Nanook realized he didn't read the original post and admitted his mistake.... you, on the other hand, continue to be an ignorant no nothing.

What's the word on Kunitz, how long is he expected to be out for?

What's the word on Kunitz, how long is he expected to be out for?
- david22

He skated at practice today. So he can't be that far off.

I think your definition of anchor and his are different.. I usually use the term as a bad thing... an anchor that weighs down the team...
- j.boyd919

I am used to the negative terminology being thrown around when it came to Letang so yes, I identified it with the bad term. It does typically mean a good thing for the defender to be called the anchor, meaning he keeps them stable.

Hall is a tremendous player without question. He would put up eye popping numbers with Malkin or Crosby. That isn't up for debate. However people fail to realize the cap situation as well as the depth it would take to acquire him. Not too long ago, I remember another NY team trading for a superstar from Columbus. There wasn't really a big name that went the other way, but that trade gutted the depth of the NY team and helped fortify the other team with needed pieces.

Our top six, if heathy, would thrive, however we would be in the same position we were in last year in the bottom six. Add in the fact giving up a Maatta and a D prospect and you have Martin and Ehrhoff as pending free agents ... your depth that you once had would be challenged.

Bottom line ... in a capped situation and you have Crosby, Malkin, Letang north of 7 million per and you add another around six ... you will have problems shaping your roster after that.
- Oneonta Penguin

This is what I've been preaching. People act like this is just a fantasy hockey team where only the top lines matter. I'm glad they are not the GM

Maatta might need a second major shoulder surgery in less than a year. That's not good for his value. Just saying.

I'm standing by my No. If we're waiting 'til the off-season, I think the wing situation can be fixed without shredding the depth of the team.

It's fun to fantasize about, but I think the Oil will be expecting a huge over-payment.
- madmike71

I think you're probably correct here. All this discussion will likely amount to nothing.

Only issue I have with waiting is its another year of missed opportunities with 87/71 primes.

They will make a move or two to get bigger and tougher. Likely not a big splash though.

Maatta might need a second major shoulder surgery in less than a year. That's not good for his value. Just saying.
- madmike71

And people act like the oilers will trade hall for maatta/sutter/1st right now I wouldn't do it in the first place anyway

Bottom line we are not getting Hall, chill people. RW nice job turning the HB people into lunatics

You're bat sh*t crazy.
- j.boyd919

for you and dan... we'll see whose crazy in a few years[/img]

And people act like the oilers will trade hall for maatta/sutter/1st right now I wouldn't do it in the first place anyway

Bottom line we are not getting Hall, chill people. RW nice job turning the HB people into lunatics
- znagle

Any proposed Hall trade at this time will guarantee 100+ hits.