This is what I've been preaching. People act like this is just a fantasy hockey team where only the top lines matter. I'm glad they are not the GM
- znagle

Get use to it on this board. It will be one of your frustrations if you keep posting.

I would do that, even if the Avs had to retain, lots of room to do that after that trade

Tanguay ($3.5m) / Duchene ($6.0m) / Iginla ($5.3m)
Landeskog ($5.5m) / Sutter ($3.3m) / MacKinnon ($0.9m)
McGinn ($2.9m) / Mitchell ($1.8m) / Everberg ($0.6m)
McLeod ($1.1m) / Winchester ($0.9m) / Briere ($4.0m)
Bordeleau ($1.0m)

DEFENSEMEN
Hejda ($3.2m) / Johnson ($3.7m)
Harrington ($0.6m) / Tson Barrie ($2.6m)
Stuart ($3.6m) / Redmond ($0.7m)
Holden ($0.6m) / Elliott ($0.8m)
GOALTENDERS
Varlamov ($5.9m)
Pickard ($0.8m)

BUYOUTS
Zanon ($0.7m)
BURIED
Berra ($0.5m)
LTIR
Wilson ($2.2m)

(estimations for 2014-15 crunched using simulation date of 2014-12-17)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; BONUSES: $3,214,167
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $8,292,794
- DDM-Coga

Yea, it's really hard to get an idea where the Pens stand with the cap with all the damn injuries right now, but by some quick capgeek guessing, you'd most likely need to retain like $1M in salary at the minimum.

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Ryan O'Reilly ($6.000m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Patric Hornqvist ($4.250m)
Chris Kunitz ($3.850m) / Evgeni Malkin ($9.500m) / Blake Comeau ($0.700m)
Beau Bennett ($0.900m) / Marcel Goc ($1.200m) / Steve Downie ($1.000m)
Nick Spaling ($2.200m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Rob Klinkhammer ($0.625m)
Craig Adams ($0.700m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($7.250m) / Olli Maatta ($0.894m)
Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) / Paul Martin ($5.000m)
Simon Despres ($0.900m) / Rob Scuderi ($3.375m)
Brian Dumoulin ($0.832m) /
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Thomas Greiss ($1.000m)
LTIR
Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15 crunched using simulation date of 2014-12-17)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; BONUSES: $68,333
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): -$567,745

Any proposed Hall trade at this time will guarantee 100+ hits.
- david22

Exactly, that's why I think this was posted in the first place. This is guaranteed to go on for a few more hours easily

This is what I've been preaching. People act like this is just a fantasy hockey team where only the top lines matter. I'm glad they are not the GM
- znagle

A lot of the talk on here is like that. People enjoy kicking trade proposals around, and subsequently laughing at the terrible proposals those other fan bases bring forward.

Get use to it on this board. It will be one of your frustrations if you keep posting.
- Oneonta Penguin

I already know this lol but don't worry we only need 2 lines to win the cup every year til sid and geno retire

Yea, it's really hard to get an idea where the Pens stand with the cap with all the damn injuries right now, but by some quick capgeek guessing, you'd most likely need to retain like $1M in salary at the minimum.

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Ryan O'Reilly ($6.000m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Patric Hornqvist ($4.250m)
Chris Kunitz ($3.850m) / Evgeni Malkin ($9.500m) / Blake Comeau ($0.700m)
Beau Bennett ($0.900m) / Marcel Goc ($1.200m) / Steve Downie ($1.000m)
Nick Spaling ($2.200m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Rob Klinkhammer ($0.625m)
Craig Adams ($0.700m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($7.250m) / Olli Maatta ($0.894m)
Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) / Paul Martin ($5.000m)
Simon Despres ($0.900m) / Rob Scuderi ($3.375m)
Brian Dumoulin ($0.832m) /
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Thomas Greiss ($1.000m)
LTIR
Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15 crunched using simulation date of 2014-12-17)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; BONUSES: $68,333
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): -$567,745
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I think the Avs would have to retain at least 1m of RORs cap hit to make it work, that clears things up. They have the ability to retain quiet a bit this year

And people act like the oilers will trade hall for maatta/sutter/1st right now I wouldn't do it in the first place anyway

Bottom line we are not getting Hall, chill people. RW nice job turning the HB people into lunatics
- znagle

Yeah, I'd do that deal in a minute. Which means the Oilers would laugh at it. To break it down even further. Sutter is an UFA after next year. There's a very good chance he won't sign long term with them. So basically they'd be moving Hall for one guaranteed year of Sutter, a broken Maatta and a late 1st rounder.

I have no problem moving some depth for the right players, but I don't think it's realistic to discuss "face of franchise" type players.

This is what I've been preaching. People act like this is just a fantasy hockey team where only the top lines matter. I'm glad they are not the GM
- znagle

Bro you're on a hockey site that was started on rumors. You are acting like people are nuts then you throw out dumb ass names that make no sense trade wise. So keep thinking you're smarter then the average when you're just as dumb as the rest of us

Holy poop this thread was huge today...

So, apparently the rumor mill on Hall possibly being on the trade block so Edmonton can "rebuild their rebuilding process" might be real.

I see Maatta being thrown out alot, along with Sutter and a plus to that. I honestly just don't think a team would want Maatta after this possibly reinjury to his shoulder, but thats my opinion. I would trade Maatta, Sutter, and another player/draft pick for Hall. Even though a lot of us wanting to bring up these young D to replace older ones applied to all EXCEPT Maatta, its still the same principle. You lock in Hall, he will most likely go with Crosby and Horny, Malkin sticks with Kunitz and Comeau, or another they bring in. 3rd Line will be more than fine with Goc, Downie, Spaling. 4th is still IMMENSELY better than last season with Klink, Adams, Rust (I am assuming Rust for now).


Most likely near the exact same has been said, but I was late to this party.

Also, gif time.

Since Taylor Hall will not be traded...

Sutter, Despres, and a 3rd for Eberle and a 4th

Yay/nay?

So... MAF, Bortz and Maatta not feeling well and being tested for mumps. So did we figure this goes back to us playing the Rags and Tanner Ass? Dude is still ruining this team.

Since Taylor Hall will not be traded...

Sutter, Despres, and a 3rd for Eberle and a 4th

Yay/nay?
- jmatchett383

I say nay...

I'd just rather not trade Sutter during the season to help the top 6. No doubt Eberle makes the top 6 better, but Goc makes the 3rd line worse.

I'm content on making a relatively cheap deal for a rental like Stafford, Tlusty, Ryder, etc., and have a strong third line for the playoffs.

Bro you're on a hockey site that was started on rumors. You are acting like people are nuts then you throw out dumb ass names that make no sense trade wise. So keep thinking you're smarter then the average when you're just as dumb as the rest of us
- dbell646

I'm not on fox news? Geeze I think I got alzheimers early.

So I guess I'm as dumb as the everyone else for wanting to get rid of our depth for two lines and for actually taking the cap into consideration. You proved your point man wow I'm so dumb.

Keep thinking an injured Maatta will get you a top winger though

Since Taylor Hall will not be traded...

Sutter, Despres, and a 3rd for Eberle and a 4th

Yay/nay?
- jmatchett383

Probably a fair proposal, but I'm really loving the way Despres is playing. He's definitely the type of player we've been missing for years.

I say nay...

I'd just rather not trade Sutter during the season to help the top 6. No doubt Eberle makes the top 6 better, but Goc makes the 3rd line worse.

I'm content on making a relatively cheap deal for a rental like Stafford, Tlusty, Ryder, etc., and have a strong third line for the playoffs.
- rival22

I would do a healthy maatta for ebs, maybe we throw in a mid pick or two. Seems like an even deal to me.

I agree on the Stafford, Tlusty, Ryder, etc situation, and most likely the pens will go down that route of players

Since Taylor Hall will not be traded...

Sutter, Despres, and a 3rd for Eberle and a 4th

Yay/nay?
- jmatchett383

Don't think Edmonton would do that.

Don't think Edmonton would do that.
- david22

I don't think the pens would even really consider it

LMAO and that is why the Oilers are destined for continued futility..... sometimes you don't hold the cards and have to make a deal just to shake things up.

You're getting a proven 3/4 20 year old Dman in Maatta

A solid Defensive Center, which after giving up 3+ goals a game, looks like you need some forwards who want to play D and not just TRY and score.

Scott Harrington and Brian Dumoulin would be everyday starters in Edmonton... just because they can't crack a stacked Penguins line up doesn't mean they aren't NHL ready.

But hey... what do we pens fans know about continued stability and success.
- Yonk1216

so much arrogance and ignorance all in once post, impressive.

I'm sure this has been stated, but I don't think they need to break the bank to get a guy like Taylor Hall. A 2nd tier top 6 winger would be more than sufficient. As Blake Comeau has proven this year, it's less about skill than it is fitting in with these elite centers. Look for the type of guys who compliment them. I really think that Jiri Tlusty would be a perfect fit with 71 that wouldn't break the bank. Since he's an expiring contract, you don't need to raid the cupboard to get him. Plus you have a good chance of re-signing him since Rutherford is the GM that last signed him.

I don't think the pens would even really consider it
- znagle

I think it depends if Sutter is a second or third line center. I understand he's down on third line because he's on the Pens. But if he's really just a third line center, than the Oilers would likely pass.

Don't think Edmonton would do that.
- david22

Edmonton should do it however. Sutter is capable of being a second line center and Despres is developing quickly.

I think it depends if Sutter is a second or third line center. I understand he's down on third line because he's on the Pens. But if he's really just a third line center, than the Oilers would likely pass.
- david22

He has proven he can play second line, first as well since sid has been out. I think he can easily be a 2c. Plays every situation, great on draw, solid defensively and pretty good offensively. We won't move him this year, maybe next year when his contract will be up after the season and sundwvist will be ready. For now he is too valuable to our depth, something management has stressed in the new regime.

double psot

I already know this lol but don't worry we only need 2 lines to win the cup every year til sid and geno retire
- znagle

Don't go to the HF boards then. It might be worse than this board when it comes to trade ideas. Then again, alot of the same venture over there.

Don't think Edmonton would do that.
- david22

I'm not sure Pittsburgh does it.