Except there is no Taylor Hall sweepstakes?
- ChetManly

quiet panda, or else

Ryan Wilson: Penguins Should Be A Major Player In Taylor Hall Sweepstakes
Penguins Should Be A Major Player In Taylor Hall Sweepstakes
- Ryan_Wilson

I would be so bummed if you guys got Hall. Hell it always seems to be you guys (makes sense everyone wants to play with your centers), Philly or the Rangers getting better while we stay pat what do you think about #68 can he fetch a late first?

don't forget Downie and Spaling and Klinkhammer Bennett. Seems much better then the depth we had last year in the bottom 6.
- dbell646

Downie is the only one on there that is actual top 9. Bennet would be, but you know all about him. He actually blocked me on twitter before the season started because he said he was taking a rbeak from twitter to focus on the season and I said good you don't want to break your wrists tweeting anyways Klink is a checker who doesn't produce, spaling is a 4th liner who is overpayed

Let me preface this by saying Hall is a great player. That said, people talk about out D prospect depth and now we are throwing our most competent young defenseman on the roster in Maatta along with one of either Harrington/Dumoullin ... the depth is all the sudden gone.

Big shocker someone continues the Sutter dealing thing. Yep, Goc is the answer at third line center. LOL.

It's not rocket science here ... in a capped league and you have Malkin, Crosby, Letang on the books for north of seven million, you just can't go out and add a 6 million Hall to the mix and not see serious drop-off elsewhere on the roster. We saw it last year with our third line.

Yep, we need to acquire a top six forward without question. This isn't the answer even though he is a very good player.

Why the frank would they want to trade him anyway?

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The price is too high. Maatta should not be considered. Hall is a true talent, but isn't even the top player on their team.
- Doogs

Yep, a top defenseman is more important than a "top winger"

And you, along with all others, try to send garbage for top talent.

Agree to disagree
- ChetManly

I didn't make an offer to consider it an overvalue. Just rejected the notion of yours.

So yes, agree to disagree.

PS, important to note, I hope you all right your ship ASAP. This league is better with the Oil being a player. As I also feel a team in Quebec should happen LONG before Vegas, KC, or Seattle are ever considered.

I think that if the Oilers did Hall for Maata, Sutter, and a 1st they'd be nuts.

I think Maata will be a good NHL player but he's still only played one season and put up 29 points. I know he has a lot of potential but Hall is probably a top 3 LW in the entire NHL. Sutter is a 3rd line C which doesnt really solve any pressing issues for the oilers and the 1st is gonna be late.

I would be so bummed if you guys got Hall. Hell it always seems to be you guys (makes sense everyone wants to play with your centers), Philly or the Rangers getting better while we stay pat what do you think about #68 can he fetch a late first?
- blizzzard

Give me Jagr... for a 2nd

Oilers need a 1D/2C/1G
Maata is top 4 and has a great future ahead (Oilers would probably ruin the guy)
Sutter is a 2/3C
Harrington is a LHD prospect. Oilers already have lots of these (Marincin, Nurse, Klefbom being the most ready impact players)
20+ 1st rounder

I think it'd be better to see Maata + Sutter + Sundqvist + ?? + 1st
- ChetManly

Sundqvist would be tough but not a deal breaker. I figured he would step in to Sutters role next season but fine. I don't care what anyone on this board thinks guys like Hall don't become available often. If he were really available and thats what it took I'm in. as long as the ?? isn't poliout

Why the frank would they want to trade him anyway?
- usethe1-2-2

We don't Dredger just trolls the Oilers on TSN.

Let me preface this by saying Hall is a great player. That said, people talk about out D prospect depth and now we are throwing our most competent young defenseman on the roster in Maatta along with one of either Harrington/Dumoullin ... the depth is all the sudden gone.

Big shocker someone continues the Sutter dealing thing. Yep, Goc is the answer at third line center. LOL.

It's not rocket science here ... in a capped league and you have Malkin, Crosby, Letang on the books for north of seven million, you just can't go out and add a 6 million Hall to the mix and not see serious drop-off elsewhere on the roster. We saw it last year with our third line.

Yep, we need to acquire a top six forward without question. This isn't the answer even though he is a very good player.
- Oneonta Penguin

I think everyone is living in NHL with the cap off, either that or they play every game and only use the top 2 lines.

People don't get it, trading sutter, maatta and our first will destroy our depth on offense just to make our team yet again a 2 trick pony. And with martin/hoff maybe both walking, we will have only 6-7 dmen, most being rookies

PASS

I didn't make an offer to consider it an overvalue. Just rejected the notion of yours.

So yes, agree to disagree.

PS, important to note, I hope you all right your ship ASAP. This league is better with the Oil being a player. As I also feel a team in Quebec should happen LONG before Vegas, KC, or Seattle are ever considered.
- Doogs

Yes please!

It's a bad sign if the NBA, NFL nor the MLB have set up shop in Las Vegas. Those three are WAY bigger than the NHL. If they don't see a successful market, how is hockey going to manage?

I think that if the Oilers did Hall for Maata, Sutter, and a 1st they'd be nuts.

I think Maata will be a good NHL player but he's still only played one season and put up 29 points. I know he has a lot of potential but Hall is probably a top 3 LW in the entire NHL. Sutter is a 3rd line C which doesnt really solve any pressing issues for the oilers and the 1st is gonna be late.
- DirtyDozen

Dubi, Erixon, Anisimov, and a first went for Rick Nash. Taylor Hall will cost a ton if he is moved. Only three to five teams could make the trade the Oil are looking for.

So, it's essentially "slightly less than the return for Jordan Staal for Taylor Hall"? So Staal for Hall?

Ok then.

Let me preface this by saying Hall is a great player. That said, people talk about out D prospect depth and now we are throwing our most competent young defenseman on the roster in Maatta along with one of either Harrington/Dumoullin ... the depth is all the sudden gone.

Big shocker someone continues the Sutter dealing thing. Yep, Goc is the answer at third line center. LOL.

It's not rocket science here ... in a capped league and you have Malkin, Crosby, Letang on the books for north of seven million, you just can't go out and add a 6 million Hall to the mix and not see serious drop-off elsewhere on the roster. We saw it last year with our third line.

Yep, we need to acquire a top six forward without question. This isn't the answer even though he is a very good player.
- Oneonta Penguin

That's why I said that if it was an offseason trade, I'd be ok with Sutter in the mix. That way, you'd have time to find a real solution at third line center. Goc is ok for stretches if you have injuries or play some time with Malkin on a wing, but I agree, I don't want Goc as an everyday third line center. Ideal 4th line center though.

And you, along with all others, try to send garbage for top talent.

Agree to disagree
- ChetManly

I don't see how Maatta(one of the top young defensemen in the league), Sutter(young 2/3C with good amount of talent) Harrington (A top defense prospect who would be an NHL regular if not for the Pens depth at D), and a 1st garbage?

I'm in for Taylor Hall... We've all clamored for a young top end wing for the Pens for years, and he would be it.

I'd be fine sending Maatta in the deal, and if it's done in the off-season, Sutter is fine to go too.

It's funny, if we also send a Harrington/Dumoulin, we would have just went from years of a deep pool of defensive prospects, to a very shallow one.

We'd have Pouliot and whomever is left from Harrington/Dumoulin, with nothing else behind them. If we didn't send our 1st round pick away, we'd have to look at drafting a defensemen again in the first round.

If we give up our 1st round pick in the deal, I'd want Edmonton's 2nd round pick back, because it would likely only be a handful of picks after our 1st.
- rival22

I see your point. But we still have Letang, one of Martin or Ehrhoff, Pouliot, one of Harry or Dumo, Bortuzzo, Scuderi, and Despres. That's still 7 NHL capable defenseman. Granted we wont be stocked in the farm system anymore....we're talking about Taylor Hall here.

So this just for illustration

Hall-Crosby-Hornqvist -- hockeybuzz erection
Kunitz-Malkin-Comeau (bubble boy)
Downie/Klink/Goc/Bubble boy/Spaling/Adams/Rust/Farnham/Megna

Im sure you can find a good combination of 6 of them to fill out the bottom 6...You have Kapanen, Dupuis, Sundqvist and Bennett as possibilities going forward to fill out the lines internally

On D this year

Letang-Ehrhoff
Martin-Despres
Scuderi/Bortuzzo/Harrington or Dumo/Pouliot

Looks good to me.

quiet panda, or else

- DDM-Coga

Must be storm troopers shooting if they can't hit a panda.

I don't see how Maatta(one of the top young defensemen in the league), Sutter(young 2/3C with good amount of talent) Harrington (A top defense prospect who would be an NHL regular if not for the Pens depth at D), and a 1st garbage?
- cap1681

It was a general statement in response to his general statement. things are are good brah.

Sundqvist would be tough but not a deal breaker. I figured he would step in to Sutters role next season but fine. I don't care what anyone on this board thinks guys like Hall don't become available often. If he were really available and thats what it took I'm in. as long as the ?? isn't poliout
- dbell646

Maybe the ?? is Pouliot

I think that if the Oilers did Hall for Maata, Sutter, and a 1st they'd be nuts.

I think Maata will be a good NHL player but he's still only played one season and put up 29 points. I know he has a lot of potential but Hall is probably a top 3 LW in the entire NHL. Sutter is a 3rd line C which doesnt really solve any pressing issues for the oilers and the 1st is gonna be late.
- DirtyDozen

He's only played one year and put up 29 points? That is your rationale? He was a rookie Dman last year, not Sven Baerschi, a forward superstar prospect like Calgary fans continue to say. Maatta, who I'm totally against trading, would be your most competent defenseman on that roster and its not close.

You realize that third line center would be fifth on your team in total points and third, one goal behind Nuge and Taylor Hall in goals this year. It's not like Sutter is playing with former first overall picks and other young first round players with him. Bennett doesn't count. He can't stay on the ice. Sutter has more value than you are giving him credit.

I don't see how Maatta(one of the top young defensemen in the league), Sutter(young 2/3C with good amount of talent) Harrington (A top defense prospect who would be an NHL regular if not for the Pens depth at D), and a 1st garbage?
- cap1681

Its not garbage but its not the gamble the Oilers should be taking. Maatta and Harrington are nice D Prospects/young players but unproven in term of being a consistent Top 4 NHL defencemen, same as Sutter, having one hell of a year but is he the solution to their 2C need long term? Or he is really just a 3C long term.

Hall is the more proven commodity in this case, and if the Oil move him, it for sure is going to be be for players that have little to no risk involved with them

Dubi, Erixon, Anisimov, and a first went for Rick Nash. Taylor Hall will cost a ton if he is moved. Only three to five teams could make the trade the Oil are looking for.
- usethe1-2-2

Yeah and Hall is younger than Nash so I'd bet he'd pull in more - and at the time of the trade Erixon was a top notch prospect so it just goes to show that if your trading a star its a lot better to get sure things than prospects.

I see your point. But we still have Letang, one of Martin or Ehrhoff, Pouliot, one of Harry or Dumo, Bortuzzo, Scuderi, and Despres. That's still 7 NHL capable defenseman. Granted we wont be stocked in the farm system anymore....we're talking about Taylor Hall here.

So this just for illustration

Hall-Crosby-Hornqvist -- hockeybuzz erection
Kunitz-Malkin-Comeau (bubble boy)
Downie/Klink/Goc/Bubble boy/Spaling/Adams/Rust/Farnham/Megna

Im sure you can find a good combination of 6 of them to fill out the bottom 6...You have Kapanen, Dupuis, Sundqvist and Bennett as possibilities going forward to fill out the lines internally

On D this year

Letang-Ehrhoff
Martin-Despres
Scuderi/Bortuzzo/Harrington or Dumo/Pouliot

Looks good to me.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Yeah, what happens when martin and possibly hoff both walk?

What happens in the playoffs when our top 2 lines get shut out? Ring a bell? Oh yeah our awesome bottom 6 will be able to put points on the board! There is no guarantee dupuis is back or kap/sundqist make the team next year. I'm sure goc can create for himself playing with zach sill and downie on the third line. He has 4 points in 40 games with us. Yeah he's a legit 3c