As big a fan as I am and my hopes that Armia could turn into a stud forward...I don't hesitate to include him in a trade like this because it hastens the development, turning him into what I'd hope he might be immediately
- stashu

You have to trade any one of the D men that are not in the NHL at the moment and any one of the forwards that are not in the NHL at the moment for Hall because as you said, Hall is what you hope they might be without ever knowing they would, and the chances that they turn into Hall are slim.

I just dont understand some of these trade proposals for Hall.

Question for you -- do you think Columbus regrets trading 8th overall, Voracek and a 3rd for Jeff Carter (A top 6 C coming off 3 straight 30-30 seasons with one of those being 46-38)?

I would only trade futures for Hall -- Draft Picks (including our 2015 1st, top 3 protected of course. Which even at #4-7 overall EDM would be getting a quality player to build around) and any combo of prospects not in the NHL (including Grigorenko, Armia, McCabe, Pysyk, or those still in Jr's.)
- theblueandgold

Usually the team that ends up with the best player in the trade, wins the trade.

The Jackets problem was including Voracek.

The Rangers probably don't regret what they gave up for Nash
Or the Stars probably will never regret what they gave up for Seguin

I personally don't want any of the young defensemen moved, but Hall is someone that could put up 70-80 points a year

Add me to the Todd banned list. Effing guy. What ever happened to him? I assume he got perma banned?
- ImThatGuy

I banned todd twice

From the chat room

I just dont understand some of these trade proposals for Hall.

Question for you -- do you think Columbus regrets trading 8th overall, Voracek and a 3rd for Jeff Carter (A top 6 C coming off 3 straight 30-30 seasons with one of those being 46-38)?

I would only trade futures for Hall -- Draft Picks (including our 2015 1st, top 3 protected of course. Which even at #4-7 overall EDM would be getting a quality player to build around) and any combo of prospects not in the NHL (including Grigorenko, Armia, McCabe, Pysyk, or those still in Jr's.)
- theblueandgold

hall is a young star, but he is still a winger. i feel like overpaying for a winger is a dangerous way to build a team. and hall would probably require overpayment. kick the tires if you like, but im not interested in moving ristolainen, zadorov, girgensons, or our first. somebody else will beat our offer, and im fine with that.

I banned todd twice

From the chat room
- cabin

I have one ban from posting something about Phanuef and his "slovenly" 2nds...

what would it take to get boone jenner out of columbus? is it even possible?

No, whoever it was slapped him initially for 4 hours (understandable part to me), but someone else added a day (or the same person added, who knows)
- stashu

Wait, we can get 4 hour bans? I'm even more pissed now

Wait, we can get 4 hour bans? I'm even more pissed now
- Herzeleid

Thats the shortest time out you can get.

2nd shift people haven't reported to the buzz yet ?
Everyone down at canalside I guess.

2nd shift people haven't reported to the buzz yet ?
Everyone down at canalside I guess.
- cabin

Hookers and blow?

hall is a young star, but he is still a winger. i feel like overpaying for a winger is a dangerous way to build a team. and hall would probably require overpayment. kick the tires if you like, but im not interested in moving ristolainen, zadorov, girgensons, or our first. somebody else will beat our offer, and im fine with that.
- rover16

This has been my point the entire time. We are in a rebuild. We have key pieces emerging during this. Myers, Risto, Zadorov, Girgensons, Ennis... they are all a part of the new core. I want to ADD to this core, not subtract from it. Especially on defense. I dont want to trade Myers just because we have Ristodorov. I want to keep Myers and Risotdorov. We have the pieces to lure Hall out of Edmonton in a variety of ways. The only way I feel we should do that is to sacrifice futures not any roster players (considering any players not mentioned above are just fluff so unless EDM asked for them...).

My offer would be:
BUF 2015 1st rounder (top 3 protected, if we finish with a top 3 pick --> 2016 1st rounder)
NYI 2015 1st rounder
1 of Armia, Pysyk, McCabe

Trading Hall almost guarantees Edmonton McEichel. And I'm pretty sure adding Hall would likely take us out of the top 3, but not good enough to leave the top 10. Therefore, EDM likely walks away with 2 top 10 picks (McEichel + Kylington, Strome, Marner, Zacha, Barzal, or Werenski) in this draft for Hall. On top of an extra 1st and a grade A prospect close to if not already NHL ready.

Usually the team that ends up with the best player in the trade, wins the trade.

The Jackets problem was including Voracek.

The Rangers probably don't regret what they gave up for Nash
Or the Stars probably will never regret what they gave up for Seguin

I personally don't want any of the young defensemen moved, but Hall is someone that could put up 70-80 points a year
- sbroads24

The Jackets problem is that they were in the middle of building their team and dealt away from their strongest assets... Voracek at that point was putting up 40-50 points but was still young. Outside of Nash, he was their best player, and certainly, their best young player. Voracek and that 1st were their top valuable pieces.

The Rangers and Stars werent essentially in a rebuild, more of a retool stage (as the Rangers are almost every offseason). Columbus certainly more fits our situation than NYR or DAL were.

Then again, even with Seguin, DAL isnt even a playoff threat... it all comes down to building a team. Thats the bigger picture. You can be infatuated with a star player who puts up points, but if your team keeps missing the playoffs or bounced in the 1st round..... what does it matter that you have him.

This has been my point the entire time. We are in a rebuild. We have key pieces emerging during this. Myers, Risto, Zadorov, Girgensons, Ennis... they are all a part of the new core. I want to ADD to this core, not subtract from it. Especially on defense. I dont want to trade Myers just because we have Ristodorov. I want to keep Myers and Risotdorov. We have the pieces to lure Hall out of Edmonton in a variety of ways. The only way I feel we should do that is to sacrifice futures not any roster players (considering any players not mentioned above are just fluff so unless EDM asked for them...).

My offer would be:
BUF 2015 1st rounder (top 3 protected, if we finish with a top 3 pick --> 2016 1st rounder)
NYI 2015 1st rounder
1 of Armia, Pysyk, McCabe

Trading Hall almost guarantees Edmonton McEichel. And I'm pretty sure adding Hall would likely take us out of the top 3, but not good enough to leave the top 10. Therefore, EDM likely walks away with 2 top 10 picks (McEichel + Kylington, Strome, Marner, Zacha, Barzal, or Werenski) in this draft for Hall. On top of an extra 1st and a grade A prospect close to if not already NHL ready.
- theblueandgold

But I heard Edmonton wants the D....
That #1 D!

But I heard Edmonton wants the D....
That #1 D!
- jochfr

Then their awful scouts shouldve drafted Risto over Nurse.

Then their awful scouts shouldve drafted Risto over Nurse.
- theblueandgold

Didn't Buffalo hire one of their scouts this year?

Edit: it was assistant GM...

This has been my point the entire time. We are in a rebuild. We have key pieces emerging during this. Myers, Risto, Zadorov, Girgensons, Ennis... they are all a part of the new core. I want to ADD to this core, not subtract from it. Especially on defense. I dont want to trade Myers just because we have Ristodorov. I want to keep Myers and Risotdorov. We have the pieces to lure Hall out of Edmonton in a variety of ways. The only way I feel we should do that is to sacrifice futures not any roster players (considering any players not mentioned above are just fluff so unless EDM asked for them...).

My offer would be:
BUF 2015 1st rounder (top 3 protected, if we finish with a top 3 pick --> 2016 1st rounder)
NYI 2015 1st rounder
1 of Armia, Pysyk, McCabe

Trading Hall almost guarantees Edmonton McEichel. And I'm pretty sure adding Hall would likely take us out of the top 3, but not good enough to leave the top 10. Therefore, EDM likely walks away with 2 top 10 picks (McEichel + Kylington, Strome, Marner, Zacha, Barzal, or Werenski) in this draft for Hall. On top of an extra 1st and a grade A prospect close to if not already NHL ready.
- theblueandgold

Good points Denzel

Didn't Buffalo hire one of their scouts this year?
- jochfr

Prendergast, former Oiler assistant GM, back in Nov 2013

but if youve watched any of the available NHL draft videos from teams, its a draft by committee, not by one guy.

Then their awful scouts shouldve drafted Risto over Nurse.
- theblueandgold

Wasn't Nurse the chosen one on D in that draft ?

Wasn't Nurse the chosen one on D in that draft ?
- cabin

Technically, it was Jones who was supposed to go #1 overall ahead of MacKinnon, but didnt go until #4 to Nashville.

Ristolainen was the 3rd D taken in that draft. Nurse was considered more raw. Risto more NHL ready due to playing in the FIN pro leagues since 16.

Technically, it was Jones who was supposed to go #1 overall ahead of MacKinnon, but didnt go until #4 to Nashville.

Ristolainen was the 3rd D taken in that draft. Nurse was considered more raw. Risto more NHL ready due to playing in the FIN pro leagues since 16.
- theblueandgold

Got it I remember all the fluff over Nurse and forgot about Jones.

Was looking over the past draft years and which players have made an impact. After the first round there are still a bunch that have equaled the production . I agree that we need to keep the talent we have and add to it. Just like some say trade them for picks to get a better player. We keep playing that shuffle and it will be 40 more years till we have a team. At some point we have to ice players that make a difference. Having a bunch of 18-19 yr olds isn't gonna do it . Most players evolve after a few seasons . (mature)

The Jackets problem is that they were in the middle of building their team and dealt away from their strongest assets... Voracek at that point was putting up 40-50 points but was still young. Outside of Nash, he was their best player, and certainly, their best young player. Voracek and that 1st were their top valuable pieces.

The Rangers and Stars werent essentially in a rebuild, more of a retool stage (as the Rangers are almost every offseason). Columbus certainly more fits our situation than NYR or DAL were.

Then again, even with Seguin, DAL isnt even a playoff threat... it all comes down to building a team. Thats the bigger picture. You can be infatuated with a star player who puts up points, but if your team keeps missing the playoffs or bounced in the 1st round..... what does it matter that you have him.
- theblueandgold

With the abundance of 1st round talent and picks we have and middling forward prospects, the only thing that would potentially kill us is moving one of 57,51 or 55.

I imagine Murray is salivating at a potential top 4 of Risto/Zads and Myers/McCabe.

As far as up front, adding Hall could be huge.

Hall/Girgensons/Ennis
Moulson/Reinhart/Armia
Foligno/Compher/Lemieux

But I heard Edmonton wants the D....
That #1 D!
- jochfr

They are the D and the #1 too.

It's possible they are more the A of the NHL.

With the abundance of 1st round talent and picks we have and middling forward prospects, the only thing that would potentially kill us is moving one of 57,51 or 55.

I imagine Murray is salivating at a potential top 4 of Risto/Zads and Myers/McCabe.

As far as up front, adding Hall could be huge.

Hall/Girgensons/Ennis
Moulson/Reinhart/Armia
Foligno/Compher/Lemieux
- sbroads24

That doesn't even include Grigorenko...

he said he is not going to watch an all star game because a sabre is leading the vote

"4. All-Star Voting: This is a pure joke. The amount of terrible players that are littering the leaderboards is disgusting. I’ve always been on the fence about the All-Star game, but each year I cave and watch the madness anyway. This season I refuse to watch it for the sole reason that I don’t want to watch the Buffalo Sabres play hockey when I don’t have to."


you do not take that as an insult?

could you imagine what would happen if Mike posted in a blog that he is not going to watch an all star game because a hab or flyer was playing?

utter chaos
- homiedclown

It would be utter chaos...simply because the majority of people need to grow thicker skin.

That doesn't even include Grigorenko...
- Stripes77

Grigorenko and Pysyk + a 1st for Hall