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wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 17 @ 8:31 PM ET
I don't know that I'd call it dumb, but that would be arguing semantics, and doesn't really matter. I think the poster that was chastised was offering a reasonable opinion.
- MJL


Unwarranted. Ill-advised. Bad. Laughton had a great chance last night against the Bolts. Let the kid continue developing.

Yeah, not sure how it blew up the way it did. People butt heads.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Dec 17 @ 8:32 PM ET
That just makes me (frank)ing cringe.
- wolfhounds


Okay so take him off the list of who to consider
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 17 @ 8:32 PM ET
Oooh I want to say it. I guess I better not.
- Just5

Say it. I'm sure you'll sound dumb either way.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 17 @ 8:34 PM ET
Okay so take him off the list of who to consider
- ob18


Hmm? I just mean that sounds incredibly painful. And an odd bone to break.

But yes, he's now off my list.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 17 @ 8:34 PM ET
Whoever gets traded loses their draft status?
- 77rams


A first round pick is a first round pick. A player is a player. Are you seriously telling me that a player, years after being drafted, regardless of how good or bad the player is, keeps the value of a first round pick when used as an asset in a trade?

If so, that's good to know, because the Flyers should trade Luke Schenn, and we could get a boatload for him, because he's a 5th overall pick.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 17 @ 8:35 PM ET
Unwarranted. Ill-advised. Bad. Laughton had a great chance last night against the Bolts. Let the kid continue developing.

Yeah, not sure how it blew up the way it did. People butt heads.

- wolfhounds


Laughton led all Flyers forward in PK icetime and played 17 minutes+ in the game. I'm not expecting him to be scratched, and I wouldn't choose to scratch him.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Dec 17 @ 8:36 PM ET
Say it. I'm sure you'll sound dumb either way.
- SuperSchennBros


Something something Pot, something something Kettle.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 17 @ 8:37 PM ET
youre right he sucks nvm
- JoeRussomanno


I didn't say he sucks, I'm asking you, in your opinion, what kind of player Yandle is.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 17 @ 8:38 PM ET
Something something Pot, something something Kettle.
- Doc_Sarcasm

Yeah I allude to wanting to make comments about someone's wife/marriage all the time.

Any other dumb comments to follow?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 17 @ 8:41 PM ET
I didn't say he sucks, I'm asking you, in your opinion, what kind of player Yandle is.
- MJL

ok im gonna give this shot just because despite the reaction others have with you from time to time i actually like what you have to saybut i know we're going to most likely disagree... so here goes

yandle is a puck moving defenseman who is capable of giving a team like the flyers quick outlet passing and top pp duties and eating a lot of minutes, they desperately need. when given good goaltending he also looks better in his own end
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 17 @ 8:44 PM ET
Bergeron just scored the weakest goal ever!
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Dec 17 @ 8:44 PM ET
A first round pick is a first round pick. A player is a player. Are you seriously telling me that a player, years after being drafted, regardless of how good or bad the player is, keeps the value of a first round pick when used as an asset in a trade?

If so, that's good to know, because the Flyers should trade Luke Schenn, and we could get a boatload for him, because he's a 5th overall pick.

- MJL


What the hell are you talking about?

Simple - was Joffrey a first round pick? You replied "no". Please explain.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 17 @ 8:46 PM ET
ok im gonna give this shot just because despite the reaction others have with you from time to time i actually like what you have to saybut i know we're going to most likely disagree... so here goes

yandle is a puck moving defenseman who is capable of giving a team like the flyers quick outlet passing and top pp duties and eating a lot of minutes, they desperately need. when given good goaltending he also looks better in his own end

- JoeRussomanno


I'd agree with that for the most part. I'll offer you an explanation as to why I would not pay that price for Yandle. Yandle in my view is a younger, better, more dynamic player similar to Mark Streit. What he is not is an all situations defenseman. Yandle is not a player you'd play in key defensive situations, or against top lines. He is a player that needs to be hidden and used properly to offset his limitations, and to take advantage of his strengths. I'm not willing to pay that high of a price for a player like that. If I'm going to pay that price, I want a true top pairing all situations player. And if I can't get that kind of player, then I'd rather remain patient, and keep the young players.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 17 @ 8:47 PM ET
What the hell are you talking about?

Simple - was Joffrey a first round pick? You replied "no". Please explain.

- 77rams


What the hell are you talking about? The Flyers did not trade 4 first round draft picks for Pronger. Just because Lupul was a player chosen with a first round pick, doesn't mean that the Flyers traded 4 first round draft picks.

He was drafted in the first round, but when he was used as an asset in the Pronger trade, he was an established player, and not a draft pick. The asset traded there was a player.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 17 @ 8:50 PM ET
I'd agree with that for the most part. I'll offer you an explanation as to why I would not pay that price for Yandle. Yandle in my view is a younger, better, more dynamic player similar to Mark Streit. What he is not is an all situations defenseman. Yandle is not a player you'd play in key defensive situations, or against top lines. He is a player that needs to be hidden and used properly to offset his limitations, and to take advantage of his strengths. I'm not willing to pay that high of a price for a player like that. If I'm going to pay that price, I want a true top pairing all situations player. And if I can't get that kind of player, then I'd rather remain patient, and keep the young players.
- MJL

on a good team with good goaltending he can be imo,
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 17 @ 8:52 PM ET
on a good team with good goaltending he can be imo,
- JoeRussomanno


Pretty much, though I wouldn't use him on the PK.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 17 @ 8:53 PM ET
on a good team with good goaltending he can be imo,
- JoeRussomanno


No, he can't be Joe. He's played on teams that had good goaltending. That's not going to make him into that kind of player. He is an offensive D man/PP specialist.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Dec 17 @ 8:56 PM ET
No, he can't be Joe. He's played on teams that had good goaltending. That's not going to make him into that kind of player. He is an offensive specialist.
- MJL



And we have enough players who specialize in offending already.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 17 @ 8:57 PM ET
And I believe the flip side that many were pointing out is that it would be a dumb move.

Not the end of the world. And dumb. They can coexist.

- wolfhounds


Exactly. Dumb. Laughton has been one of the team's most effective forwards over the last 10 games or so. Benching him for a guy who was benched for basically showing the effort of a potato is stupid.

End of the world? Nope. By I guess those that yell hyperbole miss the irony when they're guilty of it.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Dec 17 @ 8:57 PM ET
Hmm? I just mean that sounds incredibly painful. And an odd bone to break.

But yes, he's now off my list.

- wolfhounds


I have a growing list but he's now not on it, maybe it he fell and was a late 1st or early 2nd
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 17 @ 8:58 PM ET
Yeah I allude to wanting to make comments about someone's wife/marriage all the time.

Any other dumb comments to follow?

- SuperSchennBros


You don't have to do it all the time
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Dec 17 @ 8:58 PM ET
They are finally on the path of drafting & developing our own picks so we can as often as possible avoid having to make the type of trades to land a Yandle type player.

SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 17 @ 8:59 PM ET
No, he can't be Joe. He's played on teams that had good goaltending. That's not going to make him into that kind of player. He is an offensive specialist.
- MJL

Off the top of my head, the Phoenix Coyotes were a well oiled machine under Dave Tibbetts' defensive system and with Ilya Bryzgalov in net. At the same time, I'm sure Keith Yandle was very much hidden in defensive situations. Maybe not all but most.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 17 @ 8:59 PM ET
No, he can't be Joe. He's played on teams that had good goaltending. That's not going to make him into that kind of player. He is an offensive D man/PP specialist.
- MJL

and when he did he was a lot better, youre also underestimating his outlet passing and i think youre falling into the trap a lot of ppl here fell in with matt carle.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Dec 17 @ 9:00 PM ET
They are finally on the path of drafting & developing our own picks so we can as often as possible avoid having to make the type of trades to land a Yandle type player.
- ob18



Do we have a 2nd round pick this year?
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