the way he drives possesion would have been huge in a game like last night.
- JoeRussomanno

His ability to move the puck would have helped. He's more capable than most of the defensemen the Flyers dressed last night at simply lugging the puck up ice, or making long passes to beat a trap or clogged neutral zone.

Yandle's generally a good possession player, in terms of Corsi & CF%. He does see a higher percentage of O-Zone starts, but he does an adequate job in a defense first system.

not sure what exactly you want but here
http://stats.hockeyanalys...&sort=icorsi&sortdir=DESC
- JoeRussomanno

I can google a website.

I can google a website.

- MJL

then why you asking

What are Yandle's possession numbers?
- MJL

He's basically a Corsi neutral player. He's a great PP player though. He'd be a welcomed addition to this blue line, but I wouldn't really give up a lot to get him.

Imo, his value to the Flyers would be higher than his value to the average team because of their need for skill and mobility.

Is Laughton going to be sitting for Lecavalier?
- MJL

We don't know who is sitting but it was hinted at that Lecavalier may play tomorrow. He'll be at center, get more ice time and see PP time.

His ability to move the puck would have helped. He's more capable than most of the defensemen the Flyers dressed last night at simply lugging the puck up ice, or making long passes to beat a trap or clogged neutral zone.

Yandle's generally a good possession player, in terms of Corsi & CF%. He does see a higher percentage of O-Zone starts, but he does an adequate job in a defense first system.
- Jsaquella

Yandle would absolutely help the Flyers, no doubt. That's not really the issue. The issue is if he is worth the price that the Flyers would likely have to pay for him. In my opinion he is not.

I'm not debating whether or not Lupul was drafted in the first round, I'm debating what the Flyers traded for Pronger. If you think the Flyers traded 4 first round picks for Pronger, well then, you'd be wrong. And that's pretty easy to follow

Like I said previously, if we're going to use your terminology, we should trade Luke Schenn and get a great return, because he's a 5th overall pick.
- MJL

No, we won't get a great return. Though that is a nice wish.

But if we trade Luke Schenn and Vinny Lecavalier and Michael Del Zotto and Carlo Colaiacovo for a bag of donuts, we've traded 4 former first round draft picks for desert.

Regardless of what you wish to think their worth presently is, they were all first round picks, just like Lupul.

He's basically a Corsi neutral player. He's a great PP player though. He'd be a welcomed addition to this blue line, but I wouldn't really give up a lot to get him.

Imo, his value to the Flyers would be higher than his value to the average team because of their need for skill and mobility.
- PhillySportsGuy

I agree with that. It's not about if he would help the Flyers, it's about what it would cost to acquire him.

thats what i meant, after i posted my question i had the absolutely brilliant idea of looking it up myself. and in the process i was reminded that when you are the master of the salary floor as garth snow so eminently is, you can on occasion pilfer solid players from other team's rosters.

i was also reminded that buffalo now has 3 picks in the 1st round next year.
- Doc_Sarcasm

Snow put himself in good position to be able to take on some salary by avoiding overpaying a guy like MacDonald.

The issue he faces is this summer, when he needs to re-sign Boychuk and Leddy. In fact, they only have 3 guys from the current D signed next season (Hamonic, deHaan and Strait). I'd expect significant raises for Boychuk & Leddy, and if Vishnovsky stays, he'll probably be around the same AAV

Yandle would absolutely help the Flyers, no doubt. That's not really the issue. The issue is if he is worth the price that the Flyers would likely have to pay for him. In my opinion he is not.
- MJL

he can help the team but hes not worth getting... ok lets do jvr for schenn again

And I noted that I agreed with sitting VandeVelde.

But sitting Laughton, right now, for Lecavalier, is stupid, given how well Laughton has played.

I really don't think Lecavalier will have as much offensive success or create as many chances as Laughton has been on the line with Schenn and Simmonds. That's the bottom line, to me.
- Jsaquella

Yeah and this is only a tiny portion of anything I said or suggested. I'm just going by what was reported and Berube's words. If you were impressed by the Canes victory, god bless but I'm still feeling the way I felt a week ago.

Snow put himself in good position to be able to take on some salary by avoiding overpaying a guy like MacDonald.

The issue he faces is this summer, when he needs to re-sign Boychuk and Leddy. In fact, they only have 3 guys from the current D signed next season (Hamonic, deHaan and Strait). I'd expect significant raises for Boychuk & Leddy, and if Vishnovsky stays, he'll probably be around the same AAV
- Jsaquella

If they can't re-sign Boychuk, it would be a big blow for them.

Edit: They do have guys like Reinhart and Pulock on the way, but they need Boychuk back.

No, we won't get a great return. Though that is a nice wish.

But if we trade Luke Schenn and Vinny Lecavalier and Michael Del Zotto and Carlo Colaiacovo for a bag of donuts, we've traded 4 former first round draft picks for desert.

Regardless of what you wish to think their worth presently is, they were all first round picks, just like Lupul.
- 77rams

Actually it's not about what I wish to think their worth presently is, it's what it is to the team trading for the player thinks he is. And I assure you that the value of a player like Lupul, was about what kind of player he was at the time of the trade, rather then as a first round pick.

And same for all those players you named in your bag of donuts trade. It's quite simple. The Flyers did not trade 4 first round draft picks for Pronger. They traded Lupul, Sbisa, and two first round picks in the deal.

then why you asking
- JoeRussomanno

You're throwing around terms such as driving possession. So I wanted to know what his possession numbers are.

You're throwing around terms such as driving possession. So I wanted to know what his possession numbers are.
- MJL

u already knew what the numbers were but asked me anyway... ok

Snow put himself in good position to be able to take on some salary by avoiding overpaying a guy like MacDonald.

The issue he faces is this summer, when he needs to re-sign Boychuk and Leddy. In fact, they only have 3 guys from the current D signed next season (Hamonic, deHaan and Strait). I'd expect significant raises for Boychuk & Leddy, and if Vishnovsky stays, he'll probably be around the same AAV
- Jsaquella

The Islanders still have over 9M in available cap space. They could've overpaid for MacDonald, and still easily afforded Boychuk and Leddy.

u already knew what the numbers were but asked me anyway... ok
- JoeRussomanno

No, honestly I don't know what the numbers are for Yandle.

The Islanders still have over 9M in available cap space. They could've overpaid for MacDonald, and still easily afforded Boychuk and Leddy.
- MJL

I think they have an internal budget

he can help the team but hes not worth getting... ok lets do jvr for schenn again
- JoeRussomanno

Not that he's not worth getting, he's not worth the cost of what it would take to get him. There is a difference there. The JVR for Schenn deal has zero to do with that.

No, honestly I don't know what the numbers are for Yandle.
- MJL

well if u use that website i provided it should tell you... but you already said you can google so im still confused how you dont know

If they can't re-sign Boychuk, it would be a big blow for them.

Edit: They do have guys like Reinhart and Pulock on the way, but they need Boychuk back.
- PhillySportsGuy

Someone is going to throw some dough at J. Boychuk. I wonder if Snow will be allowed to spend to the cap now.

I think they have an internal budget
- PhillySportsGuy

Maybe, but Wang has a boatload of money. As his team gets better, he's going to have to spend some of it.

Yeah and this is only a tiny portion of anything I said or suggested. I'm just going by what was reported and Berube's words. If you were impressed by the Canes victory, god bless but I'm still feeling the way I felt a week ago.
- SuperSchennBros

I'm not saying your entire post was about swapping in Lecavalier for Laughton. My comment was basically pointing out that it would be stupid to do so, despite the fact that similar moves have been made by many teams in the past.

Right now, I'm not impressed by anything they've done. But the combo of Laughton and Simmonds has been highly effective, whether they have had Schenn or Raffl on the LW. They have been generating chances, scoring some goals and been a solid two way line.

Put Lacavalier on that line. It's no longer a good two way line, because Vinny is not a good two way player. They probably won't generate as many chances. The forechecking ability won't be as strong.

From what Berube said-that he is going to use Lecavalier on a "skill " line, give him a good number of minutes and play him at center, it's very possible that he means Laughton is moving to another line or wing. To me, that's stupid. I don't care how Vinny has looked at practice

well if u use that website i provided it should tell you... but you already said you can google so im still confused how you dont know
- JoeRussomanno

Simple, I could look it up if I really want to know what they are, but I have not done so, and do not, as you suggested, know what they actually are.

Maybe, but Wang has a boatload of money. As his team gets better, he's going to have to spend some of it.
- MJL

Didnt Wang sell to Ledecky or someone? Or did that not go through?