Im saying that when you are that good, it comes down more to willingness to adapt, over skill set.


Some guy aren't willing to be that player because of pride or whatever, while others are willing to do what it takes. There are plenty over the years in both categories.

Maybe you do try to adapt and just don't succeed. But I don't see Vinny even making the effort. He needs to try, or he is done. That is all I am saying.
- MBFlyerfan

Is Lecavalier that good though? Some would suggest that he isn't. Lecavalier isn't placed within a checking role because clearly it's his weakness. So when Berube placed him on both wings, was Lecavalier unwilling to try it? Has he refused to play the position?

So you've seen zero effort to try and play defense from the player at all? I've seen him tie up a player in front of the net this season and still being judged on here because he might have came close to screening to that goalie.

That's the big issue. If you really want to try to get the best out of him, you have two choices. Make him RW on Giroux's line or make him center with Voracek on his RW. Playing with Simmonds and Schenn, he might produce, but that line was not especially good at 5 on 5 last season, and it wasn't stellar at 5 on 5 this season, during it's brief use.

He needs to be with a good playmaker, who can find him for open shots in the slot. That's where he can still be effective.
- Jsaquella

I wouldn't give him Voracek as a winger before Sean Couturier, not even for a shift

Couturier is the future and this is his time. Vinny needs to make the adjustments, imo

Vinny has to find his pride, then swallow it and do what is necessary. Frankly I don't buy that any player at this level cant put their mind to changing their game to fit their circumstances. So for me it comes down to the willingness to accept it and do what needs to be done.


Its all on Vinny. Change/embarrass yourself/retire...those are his three options.
- MBFlyerfan

Honestly, I don't see Lecavalier changing the kind of player that he is. Personally, I don't think he can at this point even if he wanted to. He is an offensive player, and a shooter. I think that's all he can offer a team at this point.

I have some thoughts going through my head about the current situation, and I'll admit first, that this is pure speculation on my part, maybe even wild speculation. There is no factual basis for any of what follows to be clear. I don't think Lecavalier had an injury this past week. I think he temporarily left the team and didn't want to practice. Berube stated that Lecavalier "looks hungry" and is noticing his skating. That doesn't sound like a player who had an injury and had to miss practice because of it. I'm speculating that Lecavalier is unhappy with the situation, and that the Flyers brass sat down with Lecavalier, in which he said if he's not going to play, then he wants out. Can't trade a player if nobody wants him, and Lecavalier is not at this point willing to walk away from the money. So I think they made a deal, in giving him another shot, and if he really wants out, then he has to show that he can still play, so they can move him in a decent deal for all sides. Otherwise he's in limbo as a scratch. That's why they're going to play him on a scoring line, and willing to give him a shot.

Again this is pure 100% speculation on my part, and it may be complete BS. I just think it's a possible scenario of what's going on.

If you're that badly injured that you can't even approach being an effective player, you should be sitting out.

Both the player and team have said the injury last year was not a major issue, especially later in the season when he found himself demoted to the 4th line. I guess his foot is the excuse for poor Vinny this year.
- Jsaquella

Both the player and team can say whatever they want. Will they allow injuries be an excuse? Heck, Matt Read had to have been hurt up until last Thursday, right? It was the only way to explain his poor play.

I wouldn't give him Voracek as a winger before Sean Couturier, not even for a shift

Couturier is the future and this is his time. Vinny needs to make the adjustments, imo
- AllInForFlyers

And that's where we are at.

I'm unwilling to give him Voracek or Giroux until he shows a willingness to adapt his game and shows a much higher level of compete, regardless of whether he's skating with Simmonds or Rinaldo.

Honestly, I don't see Lecavalier changing the kind of player that he is. Personally, I don't think he can at this point even if he wanted to. He is an offensive player, and a shooter. I think that's all he can offer a team at this point.

I have some thoughts going through my head about the current situation, and I'll admit first, that this is pure speculation on my part, maybe even wild speculation. There is no factual basis for any of what follows to be clear. I don't think Lecavalier had an injury this past week. I think he temporarily left the team and didn't want to practice. Berube stated that Lecavalier "looks hungry" and is noticing his skating. That doesn't sound like a player who had an injury and had to miss practice because of it. I'm speculating that Lecavalier is unhappy with the situation, and that the Flyers brass sat down with Lecavalier, in which he said if he's not going to play, then he wants out. Can't trade a player if nobody wants him, and Lecavalier is not at this point willing to walk away from the money. So I think they made a deal, in giving him another shot, and if he really wants out, then he has to show that he can still play, so they can move him in a decent deal for all sides. Otherwise he's in limbo as a scratch. That's why they're going to play him on a scoring line, and willing to give him a shot.

Again this is pure 100% speculation on my part, and it may be complete BS. I just think it's a possible scenario as to what's going on.
- MJL

This is as likely as anything -- I absolutely don't believe he was hurt, I will tell you that

Honestly, I don't see Lecavalier changing the kind of player that he is. Personally, I don't think he can at this point even if he wanted to. He is an offensive player, and a shooter. I think that's all he can offer a team at this point.

I have some thoughts going through my head about the current situation, and I'll admit first, that this is pure speculation on my part, maybe even wild speculation. There is no factual basis for any of what follows to be clear. I don't think Lecavalier had an injury this past week. I think he temporarily left the team and didn't want to practice. Berube stated that Lecavalier "looks hungry" and is noticing his skating. That doesn't sound like a player who had an injury and had to miss practice because of it. I'm speculating that Lecavalier is unhappy with the situation, and that the Flyers brass sat down with Lecavalier, in which he said if he's not going to play, then he wants out. Can't trade a player if nobody wants him, and Lecavalier is not at this point willing to walk away from the money. So I think they made a deal, in giving him another shot, and if he really wants out, then he has to show that he can still play, so they can move him in a decent deal for all sides. Otherwise he's in limbo as a scratch. That's why they're going to play him on a scoring line, and willing to give him a shot.

Again this is pure 100% speculation on my part, and it may be complete BS. I just think it's a possible scenario of what's going on.
- MJL

I think this is all logical thinking. It's just amazing how people should simply adjust. Nobody in here could ever be simply set in their ways in there every day life. Impossible! Everything we've been taught from Adam, it's easy to kick all these habits.

Both the player and team can say whatever they want. Will they allow injuries be an excuse? Heck, Matt Read had to have been hurt up until last Thursday, right? It was the only way to explain his poor play.
- SuperSchennBros

Read played poorly. Still gave a good effort. Lecavalier played poorly, but wasn't scratched because of poor play. He was scratched because he wasn't giving a good enough effort.

I think this is all logical thinking. It's just amazing how people should simply adjust. Nobody in here could ever be simply set in their ways in there every day life. Impossible! Everything we've been taught from Adam, it's easy to kick all these habits.
- SuperSchennBros

That's the part you're ignoring. Nobody has said it's easy to adapt and kick habits. You have to work at it and give a good effort. They're not seeing that from Lecavalier.

Read played poorly. Still gave a good effort. Lecavalier played poorly, but wasn't scratched because of poor play. He was scratched because he wasn't giving a good enough effort.
- Jsaquella

Read should have been on a list of potential scratches 10 days ago

Read played poorly. Still gave a good effort. Lecavalier played poorly, but wasn't scratched because of poor play. He was scratched because he wasn't giving a good enough effort.
- Jsaquella

Well we definitely disagree on Read's good effort. Some nights he really looked like he deserved to score. Other nights he looked like he needed to be demoted or sat.

That kid was cooked the moment he was born with that last name.
- MBFlyerfan

I think this is all logical thinking. It's just amazing how people should simply adjust. Nobody in here could ever be simply set in their ways in there every day life. Impossible! Everything we've been taught from Adam, it's easy to kick all these habits.
- SuperSchennBros

I think Lecavalier can adjust the effort level he was giving, but I don't see him changing into a two way checking player.

Read should have been on a list of potential scratches 10 days ago
- AllInForFlyers

I don't disagree. And now we've been told Read's been dealing with an injured foot since camp.

But there was still an effort on most nights. That's why he wasn't benched. Lecavalier's effort has been poor, that is why he's sitting

I think Lecavalier can adjust the effort level he was giving, but I don't see him changing into a two way checking player.
- MJL

Nor do I.

I think Lecavalier can adjust the effort level he was giving, but I don't see him changing into a two way checking player.
- MJL

Maybe not, but I also don't see him making them effort to try either.

And your theory about what happened is as plausible as any.

That's the part you're ignoring. Nobody has said it's easy to adapt and kick habits. You have to work at it and give a good effort. They're not seeing that from Lecavalier.
- Jsaquella

Bull! AllInForFlyers and MBFlyerfan expect this. Dave Andreychuk's adjustment in a different era of the NHL was brought up! Andreychuk and Keith Primeau made the adjustment before a lockout that went from Big and Tall to Small and Fast! Even Pronger and Hatcher looked out of place some nights!

Maybe not, but I also don't see him making them effort to try either.

And your theory about what happened is as plausible as any.
- MBFlyerfan

See!

Bull! AllInForFlyers and MBFlyerfan expect this. Dave Andreychuk's adjustment in a different era of the NHL was brought up! Andreychuk and Keith Primeau made the adjustment before a lockout that went from Big and Tall to Small and Fast! Even Pronger and Hatcher looked out of place some nights!
- SuperSchennBros

No, they expect him to make an effort.

There's a really good chance he won't be able to adapt. But there's a chance if he puts in the effort and work to change. But if he doesn't even put forth an effort, there's zero chance he will change.

And if there's a guy putting forth zero effort, I don't want him on my team. At all.

Maybe not, but I also don't see him making them effort to try either.

And your theory about what happened is as plausible as any.
- MBFlyerfan

What I saw at times this year was a player that wasn't working, wasn't moving his feet. The work ethic wasn't there.

What I saw at times this year was a player that wasn't working, wasn't moving his feet. The work ethic wasn't there.
- MJL

I agree. It's more about the legs then anything else.

Who could forget Maxim Afinogenov blowing past Derian Hatcher or Evender Kane blowing past Chris Pronger?

Speaking of Dave Andreychuk. Why isn't he in the Hall of Fame?

No, they expect him to make an effort.

There's a really good chance he won't be able to adapt. But there's a chance if he puts in the effort and work to change. But if he doesn't even put forth an effort, there's zero chance he will change.

And if there's a guy putting forth zero effort, I don't want him on my team. At all.
- Jsaquella

Did you miss the Dave Andreychuk post?

I agree. It's more about the legs then anything else.

Who could forget Maxim Afinogenov blowing past Derian Hatcher or Evender Kane blowing past Chris Pronger?
- SuperSchennBros

That's more of a speed issue, versus a work ethic issue.

That's more of a speed issue, versus a work ethic issue.
- MJL

That was a little unfair of me, especially at a different position but those things might not happen to a younger version of the two.