I'd put a claim in. Free asset while we have the relief from Dupuis. Big body, fast. If he doesn't pan out too well, put him on waivers again. Just an experiment and you can't really lose.

I haven't watched nearly enough Predators hockey lately to know why he is on waivers though. Has he been struggling? injure prone? Or is this just a cap dump?

By all means, if we can pull off a Jokinen deal, I'd be fine with that too. Trade a 6th and have them retain some salary.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Exactly what I was thinking. Though I don't know where we are on the contract limits though. I remember someone saying we were close to limit a while ago, but I don't know if that's right.

Exactly what I was thinking. Though I don't know where we are on the contract limits though. I remember someone saying we were close to limit a while ago, but I don't know if that's right.
- ScienceJesus

I guess the worst case scenario is we claim him. He doesn't work out well. We put him back on waivers. He clears. We are stuck with ~$2M in dead salary cap space.

From what little I remember of him as a player though, he's better than Spaling. Certainly better than Adams and Sill. The only issue is the cap space, and that's only an issue if JR has a big trade in mind.

I guess the worst case scenario is we claim him. He doesn't work out well. We put him back on waivers. He clears. We are stuck with ~$2M in dead salary cap space.

From what little I remember of him as a player though, he's better than Spaling. Certainly better than Adams and Sill. The only issue is the cap space, and that's only an issue if JR has a big trade in mind.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I think he is one of those in-between guys who could possibly flourish playing with a top notch C. He has great speed, which would mesh well with Sid.

I guess the worst case scenario is we claim him. He doesn't work out well. We put him back on waivers. He clears. We are stuck with ~$2M in dead salary cap space.

From what little I remember of him as a player though, he's better than Spaling. Certainly better than Adams and Sill. The only issue is the cap space, and that's only an issue if JR has a big trade in mind.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

That worst case scenerio would be bad news though. Hampers any ability to make a trade for a guy who IS producing right now, and going into next year the team does not need 3 Million dollars in dead cap space. When you have 87,71 and 58 eating up the room they do you have to make every dollar count after that. I'f I;m GMJR I'm not taking any "flyers" on players with a 3M cap hit beyond the remainder of this season hoping they can regain thier stride

Don't agree that Taylor Hall is a better player. I would not trade RoR for him.

I think Hall is a more talented offensive player. I think RoR's complete game is more necessary.

It really depends on what your team needs.

x1000. This team needs more players with his attributes. Big, hits, good skater with decent puck skills. I'm tired of watching my team get physically dominated in the playoffs. Nisky was a nice player, but he got steamrolled by Boston a couple of years ago.

Anybody remember what Despres did the Brian Boyle the other night? More of that!
- madmike71

Major ditto! A 6'4" 215lbs frame looks good on blue line.

It seems #47 is proving how little Bylsma actually knew about hockey. If #47 was given the opportunity to develop over the past few seasons, the Pens wouldn’t have needed to dump $7.3M into #4 and/or #10. In hindsight, those dollars could have been used to secure top 6 and/or bottom 6 forward depth.

Unfortunately, I think Pens brass was/is averse to youth. It seems every season since 2009, the “core” has been surrounded by borderline sub-prime veterans, instead of youth, speed, and energy guys. I liken it to a strategy whereby they tried to “protect” their spot in the playoffs instead of balancing 4 lines with speed, size, youth and energy, and competing to get the big dance.

On a similar note, the Pens could benefit from more size and speed upfront as well. I know its not going to happen overnight, or through a single trade, but #9 and #14 are on the downside of the respective careers. We’re talking about 1/3 of our top 6; major concern on the horizon.

I don’t expect PGH to make any headlining trades this season (i.e. for top 6 offense). At best, in my opinion, the team searches for bottom 6 forward depth (w/ reasonable cap-hits). Maybe a D prospect, or a pick gets traded this season, but other than that, I think this team is pretty set for post season. I think retooling and balancing the line-up will occur during the off-season when there are more teams/ options in play, and cap space available.

Major ditto! A 6'4" 215lbs frame looks good on blue line.

It seems #47 is proving how little Bylsma actually knew about hockey. If #47 was given the opportunity to develop over the past few seasons, the Pens wouldn’t have needed to dump $7.3M into #4 and/or #10. In hindsight, those dollars could have been used to secure top 6 and/or bottom 6 forward depth.

Unfortunately, I think Pens brass was/is averse to youth. It seems every season since 2009, the “core” has been surrounded by borderline sub-prime veterans, instead of youth, speed, and energy guys. I liken it to a strategy whereby they tried to “protect” their spot in the playoffs instead of balancing 4 lines with speed, size, youth and energy, and competing to get the big dance.

On a similar note, the Pens could benefit from more size and speed upfront as well. I know its not going to happen overnight, or through a single trade, but #9 and #14 are on the downside of the respective careers. We’re talking about 1/3 of our top 6; major concern on the horizon.

I don’t expect PGH to make any headlining trades this season (i.e. for top 6 offense). At best, in my opinion, the team searches for bottom 6 forward depth (w/ reasonable cap-hits). Maybe a D prospect, or a pick gets traded this season, but other than that, I think this team is pretty set for post season. I think retooling and balancing the line-up will occur during the off-season when there are more teams/ options in play, and cap space available.
- out_of_market

This what I was saying for several years. Big star salaries means developing the cheaper and young talent. Bylsma failed the Pens organization on a severe level in this reguard. Glad he is finally gone!!!

That worst case scenerio would be bad news though. Hampers any ability to make a trade for a guy who IS producing right now, and going into next year the team does not need 3 Million dollars in dead cap space. When you have 87,71 and 58 eating up the room they do you have to make every dollar count after that. I'f I;m GMJR I'm not taking any "flyers" on players with a 3M cap hit beyond the remainder of this season hoping they can regain thier stride
- Willaged

For sure, but that's a lot of if and assumptions. All of those events taking place for the worst case scenario is highly unlikely in my eyes. It's a gamble for sure, but less of a gamble than giving away real assets.

Josh Rimer ‏@JoshRimerHockey 1m1 minute ago
It's unbelievable what's happening in Winnipeg! Trouba & Bogosian out till atleast Feb, Enstrom out till Jan & now Mark Stuart out till Feb

Fire up the Winnipeg trade rumors again... The Jets need defensemen.

No more waiver pick ups. It must be some kind of traumatic holdover from the Disco Shero era. I can't think of a waiver wire player that this thread wasn't in favor of claiming.

For sure, but that's a lot of if and assumptions. All of those events taking place for the worst case scenario is highly unlikely in my eyes. It's a gamble for sure, but less of a gamble than giving away real assets.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Assumptions is assuming he'll come here and be a solid player. Look at his last two years stat line... not good. I'm not saying there is no chance he can return to the form he had in Chicago, but his 3M cap hit for this season and next is a big gamble. Not a gamble I'd be willing to take. With a little cap increase next year (2ish million), no big pay raises due to anyone on the team (Fluery is geting a .75M bump), and one of Martin/Erhoff or maybe both off our cap and being replaced with EL deals, next year will be the first time in a long time our GM will really have room to add some real depth and/or another legit top 6er to our lineup. I hate to see that ruined by pulling the Stalberg/ Brunners/ Setoguchi's off of the "maybe they'll bounce back" scrap heap. I think the Pens should remain patient and add through a good hockey deal for a Perron/ Foligno ect type. If youre going to take a "flyer" on a guy, you do it the way the Pens did this offseason with Comeau and DOwnie type deals, cheap one year deal... give the guy a shot- doesn't work out- good bye at seasons end.

Scuderi dumo and ebbett for kane...

OK ok replace ebbett for a 3rd

The one with 14 goals and 27 points through 29 games and plays with an edge...yeah that one.

EDIT- SOmeone delete thier Foligno bashing post

No more waiver pick ups. It must be some kind of traumatic holdover from the Disco Shero era. I can't think of a waiver wire player that this thread wasn't in favor of claiming.
- Johnny Wrath

Brunner

Jiri Tlusty is a great left wing who looks the part, is only 26, has a good average shooting percentage, and can be had for much cheaper than most, and most likely retained at a much cheaper value than most. He is able to play true and off wing, fits anywhere from line 1-3, and doesn't disrupt the growth of any other forward.

If Dupuis is gone for good, a 4-5 year deal with Tlusty is not a bad move. I like him more and more everyday and I think that deal can be done sooner rather than later.

Brunner
- znagle

Brunner, Setoguchi, Stalberg.... you name them, if they had a 20 goal season 4 years ago, and are on waivers today, WE WANT YOU!

The one with 14 goals and 27 points through 29 games and plays with an edge...yeah that one.

EDIT- SOmeone delete thier Foligno bashing post
- Willaged

Yeah, I made a huge mess mid-paragraph with the controls and I didn't feel like editing it. He's still a fat-faced female dog.

Letang, maatta, sutter and a 1st better get us Gretzky in his prime. Letang for Hall alone is a toss up. We will not get Hall, this is understood by people who think logically.

The farthest thing we need is a defenseman, we have at least 9 who can play NHL right now. What we need is another top 6 (think tlusty in carolina, not evander kane) maybe another depth player as well like klinkhammer

Also trash we are offering? Top prospect Dmen and picks?
- znagle

This is completely correct, HOWEVER if Im the oilers im only moving Hall during the season for an extreme overpayment. NO WAY the Pens include Letang in any (reasonable) deal midseason.. I f Hall is moved it will be in the summer.

No one wants to hear this... but with Maata potentially out long term the Pens will probably add a few Stemniak type wingers before the deadline... Dont see any of the d prospects or Despres being moved as I truely believe Martin and Hoff will be allowed to walk at seasons end.

My trade proposal: Hawks will desperately need to shed cap space with kane and toews getting their raises and saad getting a raise. They could use some d help as well if oduya leaves. During the offseason, I'd make a pitch for sharp. He could be had for really cheap, like dumo + a little extra

Jiri Tlusty is a great left wing who looks the part, is only 26, has a good average shooting percentage, and can be had for much cheaper than most, and most likely retained at a much cheaper value than most. He is able to play true and off wing, fits anywhere from line 1-3, and doesn't disrupt the growth of any other forward.

If Dupuis is gone for good, a 4-5 year deal with Tlusty is not a bad move. I like him more and more everyday and I think that deal can be done sooner rather than later.
- usethe1-2-2

Because you're watching him or talking about acquiring him?

This is completely correct, HOWEVER if Im the oilers im only moving Hall during the season for an extreme overpayment. NO WAY the Pens include Letang in any (reasonable) deal midseason.. I f Hall is moved it will be in the summer.

No one wants to hear this... but with Maata potentially out long term the Pens will probably add a few Stemniak type wingers before the deadline... Dont see any of the d prospects or Despres being moved as I truely believe Martin and Hoff will be allowed to walk at seasons end.
- Brianandr1

Yeah there's no way in hell Hall is coming here. When I first read that... smh no one thinks about cap or anything other than we would have Hall as an upgrade over sutter (against trading as well) First off maatta is hurt too, possibly for the season. I don't know why everyone thinks they'll take him right now.

I think we should grab stalberg and maybe try and get tlusty somehow. Everyone forgets carolina is the one who traded dumoulin to us, he won't go back 2 years or whatever later. We would be set for a cup run.

I also think hoff and martin will walk as well...

Brunner, Setoguchi, Stalberg.... you name them, if they had a 20 goal season 4 years ago, and are on waivers today, WE WANT YOU!
- Willaged

I for one never wanted brunner or setoguchi.. they aren't the type of players we need.. Stalberg has had some injuries and he hasn't produced well in Nashville as they haven't been great offensively the past few years. Kinda like hornqvist how he is producing better here.

Because you're watching him or talking about acquiring him?
- dbell646

I'm not watching him as much as I want, but when looking over trades it is clear that Jiri would cost a small fraction compared to the ones posted recently. He plays a very clean style, has a nice shot, built in a more stout frame than most would think.
His age, contract price, and talent (compared to our current left wings in the top 6), would make for a huge get. I think he fits the bill of what we are looking for right now.

My trade proposal: Hawks will desperately need to shed cap space with kane and toews getting their raises and saad getting a raise. They could use some d help as well if oduya leaves. During the offseason, I'd make a pitch for sharp. He could be had for really cheap, like dumo + a little extra
- drummer829

No thanks. He'll be 33 next year and injuries are starting to creep in and he's another six million dollar player.

Why not trade Martin and Ehrhoff if they're going to simply walk? Draft picks don't count against the cap.