Why not trade Martin and Ehrhoff if they're going to simply walk? Draft picks don't count against the cap.
- Johnny Wrath

Martin has a NTC he would have to waive, no way hoff gets traded after just signing here. Doesn't look good to players in the future.. won't happen

Brunner, Setoguchi, Stalberg.... you name them, if they had a 20 goal season 4 years ago, and are on waivers today, WE WANT YOU!
- Willaged

Comeau and Downie are working out well.

I think its fair to have legitimate consideration for any forward on waivers, after all we still have Adams, Sill, Megna, etc on the team...and yes some good players do get scooped up from time to time...

I like Stalberg more than any of the other scraps put on waivers this year. I see no reason why to dismiss even talking about it. We're not exactly in a perfect situation with our forward group..

Jiri Tlusty is a great left wing who looks the part, is only 26, has a good average shooting percentage, and can be had for much cheaper than most, and most likely retained at a much cheaper value than most. He is able to play true and off wing, fits anywhere from line 1-3, and doesn't disrupt the growth of any other forward.

If Dupuis is gone for good, a 4-5 year deal with Tlusty is not a bad move. I like him more and more everyday and I think that deal can be done sooner rather than later.
- usethe1-2-2

Tlusty would be a nice addition but to call him great is such a major overstatement.

If jr waiting till the deadline I'll give 5 names for a big trade 1. Bobby ryan - 2. E.kane - 3 Phil kessil - 4.Rick Nash - 5. Taylor hall take your pick.

If jr waiting till the deadline I'll give 5 names for a big trade 1. Bobby ryan - 2. E.kane - 3 Phil kessil - 4.Rick Nash - 5. Taylor hall take your pick.
- Palmer117

I want what you smoke

If Dupuis is gone for good,
- usethe1-2-2

I'd really REALLY like for the guy to just get through his medical treatment before all of us fans decide whether or not we're writing off the rest of his career. I mean, the guy isn't even 1/3 of the way through his treatment and we're already speculating that he's finished forever.

If I'm the Pens, I do not back myself into a corner finding a long-term Duper replacement before we know whether or not that long-term replacement is necessary & if we will be in a cap pinch if it is not necessary.

No thanks. He'll be 33 next year and injuries are starting to creep in and he's another six million dollar player.
- Topshelf Mountain

I like Sharp a lot, but yeah... I don't want a guy on the wrong side agewise that is going to cost $5.9 mil for the next couple seasons.

Why not trade Martin and Ehrhoff if they're going to simply walk? Draft picks don't count against the cap.
- Johnny Wrath

Why not just keep two really good players and try to win the Cup?

Tlusty would be a nice addition but to call him great is such a major overstatement.
- acdc1206

Sure, calling him great is a large overstatement. I think he is a 25-25-50pt type guy on a decent team. In Pittsburgh he has even better potential. He is only 26, 14% career shooting%, has a nack for the net. I think he is better than a lot of people would care to admit. Being streaky on the Canes is not against the norm.

I for one never wanted brunner or setoguchi.. they aren't the type of players we need.. Stalberg has had some injuries and he hasn't produced well in Nashville as they haven't been great offensively the past few years. Kinda like hornqvist how he is producing better here.
- znagle

Hornqvist always produced. He's been a perennial 25-30 goal scorer for the last 5 years or so. Not a one good season like Stalberg. Anyways, not to run your thoughts down, anyone is entitled to them. I'm just against claiming a 3M cap hit for the next 2 season, not worth the gamble in my opinion.

I'd really REALLY like for the guy to just get through his medical treatment before all of us fans decide whether or not we're writing off the rest of his career. I mean, the guy isn't even 1/3 of the way through his treatment and we're already speculating that he's finished forever.

If I'm the Pens, I do not back myself into a corner finding a long-term Duper replacement before we know whether or not that long-term replacement is necessary & if we will be in a cap pinch if it is not necessary.
- ScienceJesus

Tlusty is only signed for this season, one in which Dupuis can't play in again. Therefor he replaces Dupuis this season. If Dupuis cannot return Tlusty has a signing price similiar to Dupuis current AAV.

I would REALLY like people to read what is posted and not just a small portion of it.

Holy poop. Viktor Stalberg on waivers. We GOTTA claim him.

Martin has a NTC he would have to waive, no way hoff gets traded after just signing here. Doesn't look good to players in the future.. won't happen
- znagle

Fair point about the NTC. It's limited; I'm not sure of the details. Martin probably won't want to deal with being a rental shortly before becoming a UFA. His best audition for a new contract is likely with the Penguins.

I don't think trading Ehrhoff on a one year deal is going to come up as an issue with UFAs. Ehrhoff is an asset who is being paid 2 contracts simultaneously - kind of like Chris Pronger.

If the Penguins were worried about how they treated their employees, they shouldn't have left Dan Bylsma twisting in the wind for as long as they did.

Hornqvist always produced. He's been a perennial 25-30 goal scorer for the last 5 years or so. Not a one good season like Stalberg. Anyways, not to run your thoughts down, anyone is entitled to them. I'm just against claiming a 3M cap hit for the next 2 season, not worth the gamble in my opinion.
- Willaged

Horn has only hit 25+g twice and 50+p twice like perron... I was only using him as an example, I was trying to say that Stalberg would produce much more than he would in PIT than he would there

Tlusty is only signed for this season, one in which Dupuis can't play in again. Therefor he replaces Dupuis this season. If Dupuis cannot return Tlusty has a signing price similiar to Dupuis current AAV.

I would REALLY like people to read what is posted and not just a small portion of it.
- usethe1-2-2

Bingo. I tihkn you and I see things the same way. The Dupuis space either gets used for a upcoming UFA like Tlusty, or we make a real hockey trade for a guy who has REAL value like a Perron for example. Picking up 3 million dollar players with term off waivers on a hope and whim silly and handcuffs us making a move like the one suggested above.

Fair point about the NTC. It's limited; I'm not sure of the details. Martin probably won't want to deal with being a rental shortly before becoming a UFA. His best audition for a new contract is likely with the Penguins.

I don't think trading Ehrhoff on a one year deal is going to come up as an issue with UFAs. Ehrhoff is an asset who is being paid 2 contracts simultaneously - kind of like Chris Pronger.

If the Penguins were worried about how they treated their employees, they shouldn't have left Dan Bylsma twisting in the wind for as long as they did.
- Johnny Wrath

I agree on the martin point, his best bet is to do what nisky did. Produce great here, get paid, sink back down to reality. Not saying martin will be bad when he leaves at all though, just saying he can cash in where he wants while his value is highest after playing in Pittsburgh.

Trading hoff looks bad. No reason to trade him either.

Tlusty is only signed for this season, one in which Dupuis can't play in again. Therefor he replaces Dupuis this season. If Dupuis cannot return Tlusty has a signing price similiar to Dupuis current AAV.

I would REALLY like people to read what is posted and not just a small portion of it.
- usethe1-2-2

I did read what you posted. However, bringing a guy over like that will cost something going the other way. If it turns out Duper isn't done, Tlusty is either a 26 year old rental or will eat up a healthy chunk of our cap space if we try to re-sign him at the end of the year when I think we can find significantly better options on the market in the off-season or even via trade.

Additionally, I only quoted the 1 part because I've just seen so much of this speculation that his career is over just because of this injury when he's barely even started the treatment for it. It's ridiculous to even speculate on it. It's one thing to speculate on who might or might not fit or be available for this team, but it's another to start speculating on whether a guy's career is over when treatment for his injury has just started & then start throwing out plans for "if he's done".

Why not just keep two really good players and try to win the Cup?
- rival22

Because it's abysmal asset management. Pittsburgh has how many NHL ready D? Are they going to neglect their talent pool even further by delaying their defenders' NHL careers and by forfeiting future draft assets?

Because it's abysmal asset management. Pittsburgh has how many NHL ready D? Are they going to neglect their talent pool even further by delaying their defenders' NHL careers and by forfeiting future draft assets?
- Johnny Wrath

Who do you trust more in the playoffs if it looks like the Pens have a reasonable shot at a cup run? Martin & Erhoff or Dumoulin and Bortuzzo/Pouliot?

I pick cup run over worrying about getting a couple extra draft picks that might help 4 years down the road.

Trading players that can help now for picks/prospects that might help in the future is not what win-now teams do. That's what the Pirates did for 2 decades & we see how well it worked out for them.

Bingo. I tihkn you and I see things the same way. The Dupuis space either gets used for a upcoming UFA like Tlusty, or we make a real hockey trade for a guy who has REAL value like a Perron for example. Picking up 3 million dollar players with term off waivers on a hope and whim silly and handcuffs us making a move like the one suggested above.
- Willaged

Because it's abysmal asset management. Pittsburgh has how many NHL ready D? Are they going to neglect their talent pool even further by delaying their defenders' NHL careers and by forfeiting future draft assets?
- Johnny Wrath

What does the trophy for "best asset management" look like?

What does the trophy for "best asset management" look like?
- rival22

That's very good of you. Very, very good.

Does Stalberg not strike you as the kind of guy that could play with Sutter? Think about it, Sutter needs moderately talented wings to function properly, so keeping Bennett on that line is almost essential as much as we would like BB to play in the top 6. Bring in Stalberg, a solid hockey player who has just found himself in bad situations throughout his career, and that opens the door to move Bennett up + gives us an extra body who could potential move up if BB or anyone else goes down with injury again.

Bennett-Crosby-Hornqvist
Kunitz-Malkin-Comeau
Downie-Sutter-Stalberg
Spaling-Goc-Klinkhammer

Looks pretty damn good to me, and that's without the trade that we all know is coming and Duper coming back. Come playoff it could all look like this:

Trade-Crosby-Hornqvist
Kunitz-Malkin-Bennett
Dupuis-Sutter-Stalberg
Downie-Goc-Comeau

That's (frank)ing deep guys.

Because it's abysmal asset management. Pittsburgh has how many NHL ready D? Are they going to neglect their talent pool even further by delaying their defenders' NHL careers and by forfeiting future draft assets?
- Johnny Wrath

They might be NHL ready, but where do they fall exactly? Are they bottom pairing? Ehroff and Martin are top pairing Dmen, thats not easily replaceable for a young rookie Dman.

I did read what you posted. However, bringing a guy over like that will cost something going the other way. If it turns out Duper isn't done, Tlusty is either a 26 year old rental or will eat up a healthy chunk of our cap space if we try to re-sign him at the end of the year when I think we can find significantly better options on the market in the off-season or even via trade.

Additionally, I only quoted the 1 part because I've just seen so much of this speculation that his career is over just because of this injury when he's barely even started the treatment for it. It's ridiculous to even speculate on it. It's one thing to speculate on who might or might not fit or be available for this team, but it's another to start speculating on whether a guy's career is over when treatment for his injury has just started & then start throwing out plans for "if he's done".
- ScienceJesus

Duh, its called a trade. If not it would be called a take.
So Tlusty is a 26 year old rental, during a season in which Duper literally can't play, is a bad thing? Dupuis isn't scheduled to be done with treatment until mid April, then he still has to undergo testing before being cleared for contact. He will have missed an entire season and basically have training camp again in April, when we need guys playing their best.
And what significantly better options are there?

Additionally, it is called a plan. If dupuis can't come back we are left standing there in the cold, butt naked, with no winger support. You don't play the if games, you play the hand you have. Dupuis is done for this season so you replace him, preferably with a UFA like Tlusty who you can choose to resign depending on his play.

No one is burrying Dupuis here, we are just realistic and need to find options. You people are so damn