I think the number of scouts at the game is about other teams looking to purge players from the Flyers and to possibly take advantage of the situation. For the number of bad players the Flyers have according to some fans, there sure is a lot of scouts there to watch them. Unless we think they're there to watch Giroux and Voracek play.
- MJL

Yes because other teams never trade for players that fit in the bottom of their roster.

It's going to be comical and frustrating at the same time when this dead team starts winning in February and March only after they sell off pieces on the back end and brings up Manning and play Colicavo, decide to finally bury Lecavalier and Umberger, G goes down with a season ending injury.

I will put money down on them having a higher winning percentage in March and April as opposed to the rest of the season
- Just5

That is what happened in the lock out year once the dead weight started going down with injury. The kids played much better. Is it a coincidence that the Flyers were winning games this season when half our defensive starters were down with injury? I think not.

I'd sell high on him before allocating that amount of the budget... as much as I love him.
- Tomahawk

If he keeps this pace, you might have to. He's going to be asking for $8M at least if he's a 90 point player.

Trading him could net you a huge haul and you can always take a shot at him in FA.

It's just some food for thought

lets be honest... he wont be a flyer
- JoeRussomanno

Can finish as far down as 9th-overall and still have a 5% shot at winning the lottery this year. Compare that to 1st-overall, who only has a 20% chance. 2nd-overall, 13%.

But what if he won't sign that deal? You're put in a position where you either overpay or risk losing him for nothing.

I'm just saying, a guys prime years are his 25-29 years. The Flyers will be paying a lot for two guys who will be hitting their late 20s early 30s when they get competitive again.

Just trying to look at things from a different perspective. Not saying it's the right thing to do but I think it's a little more complicated than let's just sign him to a huge deal
- PhillySportsGuy

I think you sign him and worry about the rest later. He can always be moved in the future if needed.

this is why the word retirement is part of the english language
- JoeRussomanno

I'm not sure that any goalie stops that.

But what if he won't sign that deal? You're put in a position where you either overpay or risk losing him for nothing.

I'm just saying, a guys prime years are his 25-29 years. The Flyers will be paying a lot for two guys who will be hitting their late 20s early 30s when they get competitive again.

Just trying to look at things from a different perspective. Not saying it's the right thing to do but I think it's a little more complicated than let's just sign him to a huge deal
- PhillySportsGuy

I understand and I like the food for thought. It's a tougher call than it seems. You could always sign him to the overpayment and move him a year later if they want to go the full on rebuild route.

Still, all things considered, I don't think he'll get $8.5m a year from most teams, especially considering the term will be 7-8 years. No matter what, he's due for a big time raise.

I'd sell high on him before allocating that amount of the budget... as much as I love him.

(unless... they drastically reduce payroll somehow between now and then)
- Tomahawk

If you are willing to trade Voracek you might as well listen for offers on Giroux.

I'd sell high on him before allocating that amount of the budget... as much as I love him.

(unless... they drastically reduce payroll somehow between now and then)
- Tomahawk

I can't imagine this team without Voracek.

They are borderline unwatchable now with him.

Without him, I shudder to think.

I mean even in full rebuild mode you need to sell tickets and keep people's interest.

He's their most dynamic guy right now, more so then G, imo.

He should be available if the Flyers are picking in the 8-10 range, which seems pretty likely to me.
- Marc D

You think the Flyers are going to finish that high?

I'm sure they'd listen to all offers but I can't see Amac getting traded because of his deal and I think they'd have to be blown away to deal Streit because right now he is irreplaceable for them. I also think they won't trade Coburn for less then a late round 1st (maybe a 2016 1st?).

But I do think one or two will be moved this year.
- Marc D

Coburn would look good to other teams. He's signed thru next season at a friendly cap hit, he's mobile and puts up pretty good fancy stats, he's got a ton of playoff experience and can handle tough minutes.

If you look around, I don't see many better options than him at the TDL

lets be honest... he wont be a flyer
- JoeRussomanno

If you are willing to trade Voracek you might as well listen for offers on Giroux.
- psuhockey

Right now.... If Giroux and Voracek continue to play at this current level. I keep Voracek. He is a much more dominant player right now. Sorry G!!

I think the Flyers are going to trade 1-2 defenseman at or before this year's TDL.

Teams in the playoffs need depth on D to make a long run.

The scouts are probably looking at guys like Schultz, Grossmann, and LSchenn who won't cost too much to acquire, and maybe even Coburn who would cost more.
- Marc D

A 1st for Coburn, a 3rd for Schultz and a 4th for Grossmann or LSchenn.

I think you sign him and worry about the rest later. He can always be moved in the future if needed.
- BiggE

Luckily, they won't have to cross that bridge until 2016.

Hopefully, Hexy is smart enough not jump the gun on an extension right after the guy puts up (likely) career numbers.

But what if he won't sign that deal? You're put in a position where you either overpay or risk losing him for nothing.

I'm just saying, a guys prime years are his 25-29 years. The Flyers will be paying a lot for two guys who will be hitting their late 20s early 30s when they get competitive again.

Just trying to look at things from a different perspective. Not saying it's the right thing to do but I think it's a little more complicated than let's just sign him to a huge deal
- PhillySportsGuy

t's not as easy as that. The cap will gradually go up and if you can free up money other places it wouldn't be hard to get Voracek signed. But i don't think he is getting 7.5. Yes he is having a career year so far but I would might lean closer to 6 - 6.75 range.

I think you sign him and worry about the rest later. He can always be moved in the future if needed.
- BiggE

But what if he regresses to being a 60 point player? Who will want a 60 point player for 8.5M?

I love Jake too

You think the Flyers are going to finish that high?
- MBFlyerfan

The bottom two are Carolina and Edmonton. After them it's Phoenix. Once you get past those 3, I think the Flyers, Devils, Ottawa, Avalanche, Stars, and Senators are all about the same. So anywhere between 4-9 IMO.

But what if he won't sign that deal? You're put in a position where you either overpay or risk losing him for nothing.

I'm just saying, a guys prime years are his 25-29 years. The Flyers will be paying a lot for two guys who will be hitting their late 20s early 30s when they get competitive again.

Just trying to look at things from a different perspective. Not saying it's the right thing to do but I think it's a little more complicated than let's just sign him to a huge deal
- PhillySportsGuy

You call his agent on July 1st and find out what Jake's looking for. The negotiations start right there.

Couturier, Raffl, both Schenns, Coburn, and Grossmann are all re-signable at the same time (depending on which of them are still around/wanted).

I love the guy, but if he's looking to break the bank - and won't budge - a trade has to be considered. Then it's just finding the best return.

That is what happened in the lock out year once the dead weight started going down with injury. The kids played much better. Is it a coincidence that the Flyers were winning games this season when half our defensive starters were down with injury? I think not.
- GOA88

isn't it funny this team plays better without coburn in the line up?

Luckily, they won't have to cross that bridge until 2016.

Hopefully, Hexy is smart enough not jump the gun on an extension right after the guy puts up (likely) career numbers.
- Tomahawk

Exactly. That's what concerns me. If he puts up 90+ points, it will be the worst time to negotiate. If they put it off, he may just wait for FA. The Flyers would be banking on him regressing next year or extending him after his career year. Like I said. Complicated

Soo Giroux has grabbed a butt, wiped a booger, and now biten a jersey

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...the-jersey-of-gudbranson/

But what if he regresses to being a 60 point player? Who will want a 60 point player for 8.5M?

I love Jake too
- PhillySportsGuy

If they could somehow trade Giroux and Voracek for the top 2 picks in the draft, I think I'd do it. Not that this is a realistic scenario at all but...

I can't imagine this team without Voracek.

They are borderline unwatchable now with him.

Without him, I shudder to think.

I mean even in full rebuild mode you need to sell tickets and keep people's interest.

He's their most dynamic guy right now, more so then G, imo.
- Marc D

I'd only deal him if the return were substantial and could help long-term... like a repeat of the Recchi for LeClair/Rico deal.

http://www.letsgoflyers.n...-first-nhl-player-to-b-2/