t's not as easy as that. The cap will gradually go up and if you can free up money other places it wouldn't be hard to get Voracek signed. But i don't think he is getting 7.5. Yes he is having a career year so far but I would might lean closer to 6 - 6.75 range.
- J35Bacher

Ryan got 7 years at $7.25m. Voracek is worth at least that much, and I expect the Flyers to lock him up in July.

You call his agent on July 1st and find out what Jake's looking for. The negotiations start right there.

Couturier, Raffl, both Schenns, Coburn, and Grossmann are all re-signable at the same time (depending on which of them are still around/wanted).

I love the guy, but if he's looking to break the bank - and won't budge - a trade has to be considered. Then it's just finding the best return.
- tangent_man

I agree. I think the Flyers have always been afraid of losing talent to FA. You can't be afraid of be unwilling to budge on certain deals. In a cap world, you need to be frugal

A 1st for Coburn, a 3rd for Schultz and a 4th for Grossmann or LSchenn.
- Feanor

I don't think Schultz nets them a 3rd. He's been solid but he's older and would be a rental. I think 5th or 6th for him. Coburn maybe gets a late 1st depending on suitors, IMO, but it's more likely he'll get them a 2nd max.

Soo Giroux has grabbed a butt, wiped a booger, and now biten a jersey

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...the-jersey-of-gudbranson/
- Trainfellow

Lol, Clode...

But what if he regresses to being a 60 point player? Who will want a 60 point player for 8.5M?

I love Jake too
- PhillySportsGuy

This ^

Soo Giroux has grabbed a butt, wiped a booger, and now biten a jersey

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...the-jersey-of-gudbranson/
- Trainfellow

Claude is a bit of a strange kid

Ryan got 7 years at $7.25m. Voracek is worth at least that much, and I expect the Flyers to lock him up in July.
- Feanor

The Flyers will argue that Ryan had more success beforehand, which is true, but if Voracek puts up 80+ points, with the cap rising (hopefully), i expect Ryan's deal will be a starting point.

Lol, Clode...
- Tomahawk

You think the Flyers are going to finish that high?
- MBFlyerfan

Honestly I see them picking somewhere in the 5th-10th spot.
Mase will steal some games and the #1 PP is good.

If G Jake or Mase miss any significant time they will finish in the bottom 3.

Soo Giroux has grabbed a butt, wiped a booger, and now biten a jersey

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...the-jersey-of-gudbranson/
- Trainfellow

i think we should trade giroux he's shown time and time again he can't lead a team and is immature

The Flyers will argue that Ryan had more success beforehand, which is true, but if Voracek puts up 80+ points, with the cap rising (hopefully), i expect Ryan's deal will be a starting point.
- NickTheKid87

Wouldn't assume the cap's going up. Canadian dollar, blah blah blah. Also, players electing not to take the 5% cap escalator would completely wipe out Bettman's projected increase in one fell swoop -- escrow, blah blah blah.

I don't think Schultz nets them a 3rd. He's been solid but he's older and would be a rental. I think 5th or 6th for him. Coburn maybe gets a late 1st depending on suitors, IMO, but it's more likely he'll get them a 2nd max.
- NickTheKid87

You should look at what other, lesser dmen have gone for in the past.

I agree. I think the Flyers have always been afraid of losing talent to FA. You can't be afraid of be unwilling to budge on certain deals. In a cap world, you need to be frugal
- PhillySportsGuy

Like you said, if he's coming off a 90+ point season, the price is gonna be high, so you don't sign him early. Have the idea of what he's looking for in your head and see how next season develops. If he goes on another scoring spree, his number will stay high. Should he slip a bit, you have a little haggling space.

isn't it funny this team plays better without coburn in the line up?
- 2Real

I'm not at all surprised by it.....

If they could somehow trade Giroux and Voracek for the top 2 picks in the draft, I think I'd do it. Not that this is a realistic scenario at all but...
- NickTheKid87

It's not realistic. Those teams won't be trading for an expiring contract. A Voracek trade would involve multiple pieces coming back.

I would look for a western conference team or a low budget team. I'd want another shot at him in FA. If he were to resign before FA I'd want it with a western conference team

Claude is a bit of a strange kid
- nastyflyergirl

Somebody's developing a bit of an impulse control disorder...

i think we should trade giroux he's shown time and time again he can't lead a team and is immature
- 2Real

fight me bro

You know this place has gone a bit nutty when the topic of the day is somehow trading our best player this season, and second best player overall.

I'm not at all surprised by it.....
- GOA88

The team has been bad all season long, with and without Coburn in the lineup.

You should look at what other, lesser dmen have gone for in the past.
- Feanor

It's probably gonna be supply-dependent... Schultz also has to keep playing like a 'top-4' dman too, to get that top-90 pick. Definitely not out of the realm of possibility.

The team has been bad all season long, with and without Coburn in the lineup.
- Feanor

Even worse with Coby.... Numbers dont lie.

fight me bro
- Crimsoninja

julian street next to the shark tank right now bro

Like you said, if he's coming off a 90+ point season, the price is gonna be high, so you don't sign him early. Have the idea of what he's looking for in your head and see how next season develops. If he goes on another scoring spree, his number will stay high. Should he slip a bit, you have a little haggling space.
- tangent_man

That's risky too. I might look to move him before the season if they can't come to an agreement.

If they could somehow trade Giroux and Voracek for the top 2 picks in the draft, I think I'd do it. Not that this is a realistic scenario at all but...
- NickTheKid87

What if the Flyers won the lottery? Would you move him then?

Personally, if the Flyers could get Seth Jones ++ I would trade him regardless. I don't think this team is going to be good for a couple seasons and the reasons people are giving to trade Voracek are even truer for Giroux.

Imagine a righty lefty top pair of Jones morin with Sanheim leading the 2nd pair.

You know this place has gone a bit nutty when the topic of the day is somehow trading our best player this season, and second best player overall.



The team has been bad all season long, with and without Coburn in the lineup.
- Feanor

i can recall a few games off the top of my head that were lost because of coburn

If this team doesn't go on a run of regulation wins, like now, then the season is just about done.
- hereticpride

I realize it's the season of miracles and all, but...