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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 21 @ 9:40 PM ET
Good Lord -- I admire Michael Raffl's toughness

But, um...we're sure we don't want Byfuglien? Absolutely 100 percent????

- AllInForFlyers


I've wanted Byfuglien for years
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 21 @ 9:40 PM ET
I'll give you Roethlisberger, but Manning is a current day Jim Plunkett. Johnson's comparable to guys like Bartkowski, Gabriel & Eason. Good starter, gaudy numbers, but not elite.
- Jsaquella

johnsons not elite but he managed the ball really good... thats the thing i find when discussing qb's with ppl that they overlook... a qb these days has to be more mobile than johnson, but mobility alone is not enough, a qb's job at leadt imo, is to protect and distribute the football... also its good to see how they play in the 4th... lately i see a lot of eagle fans ready to ship folesout and i think theyre making huge mistake if they do that.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Dec 21 @ 9:42 PM ET
What would we even do with him?

I'm serious. Not being negative. But what do you do with him? Does Laughton go to 4C? Do you trade Laughton?

I'd rather they get a No. 1 defenseman, somehow

- AllInForFlyers

It's true. I've been thinking this for a while actually. But the answer I give myself is that it doesn't matter. You get a player like that, you make it work.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Dec 21 @ 9:42 PM ET
It's true. I've been thinking this for a while actually. But the answer I give myself is that it doesn't matter. You get a player like that, you make it work.
- Giroux_Is_God


Laughton can play wing or Couturier.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 21 @ 9:43 PM ET
johnsons not elite but he managed the ball really good... thats the thing i find when discussing qb's with ppl that they overlook... a qb these days has to be more mobile than johnson, but mobility alone is not enough, a qb's job at leadt imo, is to protect and distribute the football... also its good to see how they play in the 4th... lately i see a lot of eagle fans ready to ship folesout and i think theyre making huge mistake if they do that.
- JoeRussomanno


I don't care if a guy moves like an Oak tree, as long as he protects the ball. Johnson wasn't great, he was a good starter. Wasn't going to carry a team to the Super Bowl which was my point.

You don't need John Elway or Tom Brady to win a Super Bowl. You often need a good team around whomever your QB is-Marino was a fantastic QB. Never won poop.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 12.15.2011

Dec 21 @ 9:45 PM ET
Laughton can play wing or Couturier.
- flyer_nutter

Laughton can play Couturier??
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Dec 21 @ 9:46 PM ET
Have to push back. They are mugging you physically and taking the game over on the boards.

I haven't seen a game in a while for this crew but outside of that top line, nobody can handle the puck.

Would be nice if one of the d-men could do something more than basic north/south 5 foot pass on a break-out. Neanderthal.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 21 @ 9:47 PM ET
Laughton can play wing or Couturier.
- flyer_nutter


I guess the question is do you really want Laughton as your 3RW, which is really the spot you need? Instead of a player who is a real winger, not a converted one?

I've just never been a believer in the "good problem to have" scenario. I'd rather not have dealt with watching Schenn and Lecavalier try to adjust to playing wing

Once, I'd like to go into the season with a roster that makes sense
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Dec 21 @ 9:47 PM ET
Laughton can play Couturier??
- Giroux_Is_God


For what its worth I think Laughton would be a better winger. Couturier doesn't have much of a grit game.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 21 @ 9:47 PM ET
Laughton can play Couturier??
- Giroux_Is_God

it's a new role every team needs
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 21 @ 9:48 PM ET
Have to push back. They are mugging you physically and taking the game over on the boards.


- flyer_nutter


They absolutely could use two wingers with size and board tenacity
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Dec 21 @ 9:48 PM ET
I guess the question is do you really want Laughton as your 3RW, which is really the spot you need? Instead of a player who is a real winger, not a converted one?

I've just never been a believer in the "good problem to have" scenario. I'd rather not have dealt with watching Schenn and Lecavalier try to adjust to playing wing

Once, I'd like to go into the season with a roster that makes sense

- AllInForFlyers

Hate to say it, but landing McDavid makes Laughton expendable.

Can you say package for a defenseman?

Of course, the Flyers are not going to be the worst in the league. For better or worse, I'm pretty sure of that.

It'd be nice to get Eichel. Less of a headache. Just stick him at wing!!
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 21 @ 9:49 PM ET
I don't care if a guy moves like an Oak tree, as long as he protects the ball. Johnson wasn't great, he was a good starter. Wasn't going to carry a team to the Super Bowl which was my point.

You don't need John Elway or Tom Brady to win a Super Bowl. You often need a good team around whomever your QB is-Marino was a fantastic QB. Never won poop.

- Jsaquella

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flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Dec 21 @ 9:49 PM ET
Hate to say it, but landing McDavid makes Laughton expendable.

Can you say package for a defenseman?

Of course, the Flyers are not going to be the worst in the league. For better or worse, I'm pretty sure of that.

- Giroux_Is_God


Big if, but if that happened I am not 100% sold on Couturier over Laughton.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Dec 21 @ 9:50 PM ET
For what its worth I think Laughton would be a better winger. Couturier doesn't have much of a grit game.
- flyer_nutter

I do agree. However, it's tough to "guess" how a player would look playing out of position. No guarantees, ya know?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 21 @ 9:51 PM ET
Hate to say it, but landing McDavid makes Laughton expendable.

Can you say package for a defenseman?

Of course, the Flyers are not going to be the worst in the league. For better or worse, I'm pretty sure of that.

It'd be nice to get Eichel. Less of a headache. Just stick him at wing!!

- Giroux_Is_God


Laughton can play wing
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Dec 21 @ 9:51 PM ET
Big if, but if that happened I am not 100% sold on Couturier over Laughton.
- flyer_nutter

I'd absolutely hate to trade either of them, but if McDavid is in the picture....I say you have to do it to get a defenseman. Hell, trade em both for Shattenkirk
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 21 @ 9:52 PM ET
It's frustrating, because this league is so jacked up right now. You can't get what you need without sucking.

They need another winger to get Umberger out of the Top 9, and they really need two of these young defensemen to develop and be difference makers

It can't take five years. Two of these defenders have to be ready to rock in three years. They have got to be

- AllInForFlyers

you can get what you needif you give up something or the other gm is a nitwit, see jeff carter trade.... im sorry but this team better hold onto laughton hes becoming more and morewhat i thought hed be: a complete all around center.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Dec 21 @ 9:52 PM ET
Laughton can play wing
- PhillySportsGuy

Has he before? I don't know these things
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 21 @ 9:54 PM ET
Has he before? I don't know these things
- Giroux_Is_God


He did a bit in the OHL, but mostly at C.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 21 @ 9:54 PM ET
Has he before? I don't know these things
- Giroux_Is_God


He has in Juniors I believe. He has the skill set to do it too. Most centers can learn wing if they're given the proper amount of time and the proper linemates.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Dec 21 @ 9:56 PM ET
He has in Juniors I believe. He has the skill set to do it too. Most centers can learn wing if they're given the proper amount of time and the proper linemates.
- PhillySportsGuy

Laughton definitely has the skillset to be a winger. I agree with that. Nutter said it earlier as well.

flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Dec 21 @ 9:57 PM ET
Laughton definitely has the skillset to be a winger. I agree with that. Nutter said it earlier as well.
- Giroux_Is_God


I just get annoyed with Couturier. Don't know what it is, I know he is good and all that.

He just rubs me the wrong way. Very vanilla.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 21 @ 9:58 PM ET
I just get annoyed with Couturier. Don't know what it is, I know he is good and all that.

He just rubs me the wrong way. Very vanilla.

- flyer_nutter


Are you saying he needs to play with Simmonds to be effective?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 12.15.2011

Dec 21 @ 9:58 PM ET
I just get annoyed with Couturier. Don't know what it is, I know he is good and all that.

He just rubs me the wrong way. Very vanilla.

- flyer_nutter

I can see how people get frustrated with him, but I always tell those people to look who he plays against.

He's a tough cookie man
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