Klein has been a top 4 dman for years.
- rangerdanger94

hahahaha ok stop please lmao... i can't take anymore. Klein is a very nice dman who is logging important minutes and coming into his own but let's not make him out to be Larry Robinson. bottom line is your team is good...our team is good...it should be interesting...some people downplay it on here but the rangers are a damn good team and so are the Isles

hahahaha ok stop please lmao... i can't take anymore. Klein is a very nice dman who is logging important minutes and coming into his own but let's not make him out to be Larry Robinson. bottom line is your team is good...our team is good...it should be interesting...some people downplay it on here but the rangers are a damn good team and so are the Isles
- Dan Petriw

You can go ask Preds fans about Klein and they'll tell you he's a bonafide top 4 defenseman and has been underrated for years.

I said he's a top 4 guy. Not a #1 or Norris contender. And go look at his ice time per game for the last 6 years: 19:55, 20:48, 19:56, 20:25 (all in Nashville) and then about 17:50 last season since his ice time dropped when he came to NY due to our depth and it's 17:49 again this year. Those look like top 4 defensemen ice times to me.

I look forward to hearing how a player that has played 20 minutes a game for the past 6 years isn't a top 4 defenseman and how much of a homer I am.

This isn't directed specifically at you ...

They've beat some pretty good teams in regulation. The Hawks, Lightning, Wings, Penguins.

I get the concern. I really do. I've been pessimistic about this team for a long time. However from where they were last June to now is night and day. New owners, new goalies, new defensemen, new secondary scoring. Jeez guys, it's not the same old story anymore! They've played 40% of the season and they are 4th in the league! Hell, last year we would have been ecstatic if they snuck into the 8th seed!

And now the caveat so I don't get blasted - Yes, everything isn't perfect. Yes, Johnson is still a concern. Yes, Cappy is still the coach. Yes, Strait is playing in Bridgeport and that somehow still effects the Islanders.

Just enjoy the ride.
- JimmyP

I wish he was, but sadly he's still on the Island.

You can go ask Preds fans about Klein and they'll tell you he's a bonafide top 4 defenseman and has been underrated for years.

I said he's a top 4 guy. Not a #1 or Norris contender. And go look at his ice time per game for the last 6 years: 19:55, 20:48, 19:56, 20:25 (all in Nashville) and then about 17:50 last season since his ice time dropped when he came to NY due to our depth and it's 17:49 again this year. Those look like top 4 defensemen ice times to me.

I look forward to hearing how a player that has played 20 minutes a game for the past 6 years isn't a top 4 defenseman and how much of a homer I am.
- rangerdanger94

Well you did say he was better then eveey teams #1 defensemen in the division.

Well you did say he was better then eveey teams #1 defensemen in the division.
- Cptmjl

Oh come on I was replying to your post about you calling McDonagh sketchy. It was a jab because of your jab.

But he's definitely better than the Flyers'

You can go ask Preds fans about Klein and they'll tell you he's a bonafide top 4 defenseman and has been underrated for years.

I said he's a top 4 guy. Not a #1 or Norris contender. And go look at his ice time per game for the last 6 years: 19:55, 20:48, 19:56, 20:25 (all in Nashville) and then about 17:50 last season since his ice time dropped when he came to NY due to our depth and it's 17:49 again this year. Those look like top 4 defensemen ice times to me.

I look forward to hearing how a player that has played 20 minutes a game for the past 6 years isn't a top 4 defenseman and how much of a homer I am.
- rangerdanger94

klein is a nice player.... having a good season...but i wouldn't plan the cup parade route over him

Oh come on I was replying to your post about you calling McDonagh sketchy. It was a jab because of your jab.

But he's definitely better than the Flyers'
- rangerdanger94

Flyers will be in a world of shat for long time. Holmgren facked that blue line for a long time on his way out. I mean what was the point of the amac contract a few weeks after he signed? So facking stupid.

klein is a nice player.... having a good season...but i wouldn't plan the cup parade route over him
- Dan Petriw

Agreed.

Flyers will be in a world of shat for long time. Holmgren facked that blue line for a long time on his way out. I mean what was the point of the amac contract a few weeks after he signed? So facking stupid.
- Cptmjl

Holmgren made a lot of stupid moves. I still don't agree with trading Carter and Richards after making the SCF. The returns were obviously nice on paper and gave them the majority of their current core, but this current core hasn't done poop and Carter and Richards have gone on to be major cogs in LA and won 2 Cups.

Agreed.


Holmgren made a lot of stupid moves. I still don't agree with trading Carter and Richards after making the SCF. The returns were obviously nice on paper and gave them the majority of their current core, but this current core hasn't done poop and Carter and Richards have gone on to be major cogs in LA and won 2 Cups.
- rangerdanger94

its too bad but Carter and Richards really traded themselves after "dry island" and the carnival debacle

Agreed.


Holmgren made a lot of stupid moves. I still don't agree with trading Carter and Richards after making the SCF. The returns were obviously nice on paper and gave them the majority of their current core, but this current core hasn't done poop and Carter and Richards have gone on to be major cogs in LA and won 2 Cups.
- rangerdanger94

Their core to me is not exactly impressive. The Schenn brothers and Courtier arent taking the league by storm. Their defense is a joke and they have another five yrs to enjoy that dumpster fire. Mason, Simmons, and Giroux are really all they got moving fwd. Their best bet would be just to crap the bed this season and dump some players for picks in this draft. Get whatever you can for amac and streit just to get out of their contracts and grab some decent players in FA. Start over and restructure their blue line.

Well he wasn't totally wrong. The Rangers can defend and do have an elite goalie.
- rangerdanger94[/quote]

Yes Talbot is certainly playing that way.

You can go ask Preds fans about Klein and they'll tell you he's a bonafide top 4 defenseman and has been underrated for years.

I said he's a top 4 guy. Not a #1 or Norris contender. And go look at his ice time per game for the last 6 years: 19:55, 20:48, 19:56, 20:25 (all in Nashville) and then about 17:50 last season since his ice time dropped when he came to NY due to our depth and it's 17:49 again this year. Those look like top 4 defensemen ice times to me.

I look forward to hearing how a player that has played 20 minutes a game for the past 6 years isn't a top 4 defenseman and how much of a homer I am.
- rangerdanger94

See: McDonald, Andrew

I'm pretty confident in our 6/7 guys in Hunwick and Moore. McDonagh has adjusted and been back to his old self the past 5 or 6 games. But even if he struggles it's nice knowing that our #5 defender in Klein is better than our division rivals' top defenders like the Penguins, Devils, Flyers, and Islanders.
- rangerdanger94

This is the Dumbest thing you have ever written.. and that is really saying something. ... just for fun.. YOU actually think Klein is better than Boychuk, Hamonic, Viz, Leddy, Letang, Erhoff, Martin, Scuderi, Streit, Coburn, Greene and Salvador? You're officially an idiot.. see yourself out.

This is the Dumbest thing you have ever written.. and that is really saying something. ... just for fun.. YOU actually think Klein is better than Boychuk, Hamonic, Viz, Leddy, Letang, Erhoff, Martin, Scuderi, Streit, Coburn, Greene and Salvador? You're officially an idiot.. see yourself out.
- niteislander

You should really read the rest of the thread before you post next time

See: McDonald, Andrew
- PeteM

Touche

Klein has been a top 4 dman for years.

You assuming klein a system dman because he was successful in Nashville is like people calling boychuk a system dman because he played in boston.
- rangerdanger94

Boychuk was a top 4 Dman in BOS for years, if u recall its been Chara, Seidenberg, Boychuk, Ference. Only difference was that Ference was the weakest link and the kids were passing him on depth chart and BOS didn't resign him, since he left BOS has Ference played like a top 4?? NO, bc he's not... Oh and about Boychuk being a system Dman is stupid bc isles don't really play a system and Boychuk has flourished as a top Dman on island.

Same scenario w/Klein in Nashville, was a top 4 but got passed on depth chart bc he's a better 4/5/6 Dman in a system. Does Trotz play a system, YES, does AV play a system, YES, bc last year Klein was a 5/6 Dman on team not top 4 you dope, if u know ur team so well, it was Girardi, McDonough, Staal, Stralman as top 4 w/Klein & who ever as 5/6. Stop playing the stupid card when ur team lost Stralman in FA so Klein moved up and Staal is carrying him now as a top 4.

Please do yourself a favor and stop talking about the isles and brush up on ur own team bc I'm getting a little tired schooling you about your own team, which is sad....


Have a nice day....


Bang Bang

See: McDonald, Andrew
- PeteM

He's blinded by Homerism, kid cant see past MSG..... I starting to think he's one of those special kids....???? I might want to get him a Christmas gift bc I'm really starting to feel bad.....

Boychuk was a top 4 Dman in BOS for years, if u recall its been Chara, Seidenberg, Boychuk, Ference. Only difference was that Ference was the weakest link and the kids were passing him on depth chart and BOS didn't resign him, since he left BOS has Boychuk played like a top 4?? NO, bc he's not... Oh and about Boychuk being a system Dman is stupid bc isles don't really play a system and Boychuk has flourished as a top Dman on island.

Same scenario w/Klein in Nashville, was a top 4 but got passed on depth chart bc he's a better 4/5/6 Dman in a system. Does Trotz play a system, YES, does AV play a system, YES, bc last year Klein was a 5/6 Dman on team not top 4 you dope, if u know ur team so well, it was Girardi, McDonough, Staal, Stralman as top 4 w/Klein & who ever as 5/6. Stop playing the stupid card when ur team lost Stralman in FA so Klein moved up and Staal is carrying him now as a top 4.

Please do yourself a favor and stop talking about the isles and brush up on ur own team bc I'm getting a little tired schooling you about your own team, which is sad....


Have a nice day....


Bang Bang
- Ur Not Me

Schooling me on what? you're flat out wrong. Staal is playing with Boyle. Klein is still on the 3rd pairing but that doesnt mean he's not a top 4 caliber defenseman.

When somebody is called a top 4 defenseman, it refers to their ability not where they actually play. Unless you consider amac to be a #1 defenseman because he plays on a top line on a thin blueline? Or do you consider justin schultz a bonafide top pairing defenseman too?

Schooling me on what? you're flat out wrong. Staal is playing with Boyle. Klein is still on the 3rd pairing but that doesnt mean he's not a top 4 caliber defenseman.

When somebody is called a top 4 defenseman, it refers to their ability not where they actually play. Unless you consider amac to be a #1 defenseman because he plays on a top line on a thin blueline? Or do you consider justin schultz a bonafide top pairing defenseman too?
- rangerdanger94

See thank you, u just proved my point or didn't get my point. Totally 4got about Boyle but then again, u even know that Klein is not top 4. Anyhow your 2 references of players playing top minutes is irrelevant bc of the team not able to acquire or develop top Dman, just bc the team lacks depth and a player plays certain mins doesn't anoint them as top pairing guys, if get my point.....????

Amac was never a top 4 dman, its shown and proven, just bc he plays the mins doesn't mean he is. Same for Shultz but that whole team is terrible on D so u really cant gage what Shultz is in a way.....

All Isles fans including myself (which many here can verify) that Amac sucked problem was team had no one good enough. Case in point, Hammer played top 2 mins but is better suited as a 3/4 Dman and maybe in a couple of years could get passed by Pulock on depth chart, but don't know that yet.........

See thank you, u just proved my point or didn't get my point. Totally 4got about Boyle but then again, u even know that Klein is not top 4. Anyhow your 2 references of players playing top minutes is irrelevant bc of the team not able to acquire or develop top Dman, just bc the team lacks depth and a player plays certain mins doesn't anoint them as top pairing guys, if get my point.....????

Amac was never a top 4 dman, its shown and proven, just bc he plays the mins doesn't mean he is. Same for Shultz but that whole team is terrible on D so u really cant gage what Shultz is in a way.....

All Isles fans including myself (which many here can verify) that Amac sucked problem was team had no one good enough. Case in point, Hammer played top 2 mins but is better suited as a 3/4 Dman and maybe in a couple of years could get passed by Pulock on depth chart, but don't know that yet.........
- Ur Not Me

So even though amac and schultz play on top lines, theyre not top line defensemen. So what line they play on doesnt dictate their defensive ability. But because klein plays on the 3rd line, he's a 3rd pairing defenseman and his line does dictate his ability? Seems hypocritical.

I'm not gonna hijack this thread anymore. I'll let you guys get back to isles talk.

I'm not gonna hijack this thread anymore. I'll let you guys get back to isles talk.
- rangerdanger94

We'll miss you....

You can go ask Preds fans about Klein and they'll tell you he's a bonafide top 4 defenseman and has been underrated for years.

I said he's a top 4 guy. Not a #1 or Norris contender. And go look at his ice time per game for the last 6 years: 19:55, 20:48, 19:56, 20:25 (all in Nashville) and then about 17:50 last season since his ice time dropped when he came to NY due to our depth and it's 17:49 again this year. Those look like top 4 defensemen ice times to me.

I look forward to hearing how a player that has played 20 minutes a game for the past 6 years isn't a top 4 defenseman and how much of a homer I am.
- rangerdanger94

andrew macdonald played top pairing minutes. andrew macdonald is not a top four defenseman.

So even though amac and schultz play on top lines, theyre not top line defensemen. So what line they play on doesnt dictate their defensive ability. But because klein plays on the 3rd line, he's a 3rd pairing defenseman and his line does dictate his ability? Seems hypocritical.
- rangerdanger94

Amac is not a top pairing Dman, we/or I have seen him play here for many years and would have a better idea than u, but if u think that a Dman plays top 4 mins means he's automatically a top 4 Dman, than that's how u evaluate Dman bc I don't. Its all based on depth of team D. Trust me Amac is not a top 4 Dman regardless of how many mins he plays, that's on Philly now (most couldn't wait to get rid of him and our D sucked) should tell u something....
Again on Shultz, bc the whole team D is horrible I really cant gage what he is yet, bc u could agree the team is a mess......

And yes Klein is better suited as a 3rd pairing Dman, that's why the Rags went after Boyle after losing Stralman. The reason I didnt mention Boyle before was bc I 4got about him plus has been injured for most of the beginning part of season where Klein has taken his spot mostly.... So not being hypocritical on anything but it seems like Klein is a good Dman in a system, Trotz & AV....

Here's another, Leddy, was basically a 5/6 on CHI bc there depth and top 4 is awesome. Most CHI fans thought he just lacked the D-part mostly, but if u watch isles games, he's been a real surprised and solid. Isles lacked D and traded for a top 4, are u getting it now???

I'm not gonna hijack this thread anymore. I'll let you guys get back to isles talk.
- rangerdanger94