Where have you been all my life? I think I love you. Platonically. Blogger to Poster.
- James_Tanner

Fixed.

How do you measure what guys take away in the neutral and defensive zone? Is Corey Crawford as good as his numbers? Or for that matter was Ray Emery two years ago? Or Darling and Raanta this year? Answer: no, not really. Why? Chicago's defense. And great defensive defensemen, most of whom also contribute offensively.

I like Karlsson too. I just think he's more of a one-way player. For my money, I want the guys who shut the other team down, first, defense-man, starts the break and contributes on the other end. Suter is vastly underrated. Great player. I actually think Weber is a bit overrated.
- John Jaeckel

I think its fair to say that Keith likely wouldn't as offensively impressive on the Coyotes (as opposed to on the hawks) and likewise Yandle would likely be more impressive offensively on the Hawks (as opposed to on the yotes). I think playing for the Hawks also probably has a positive impact on Kieths defensive stats as they are a strong possession team.

Not arguing who is better than who but i do think that the argument that Yandle plays for a terrible team does impair his ability to show his full potential. I think nearly every player that was mentioned as better than Yandle would show much more poorly on the Yotes versus their current team.

- SJSharks39

I don't want to have too much of a love-in here, but Harry Nillson just happens to be one of my all time favorites.

I am confused on how you do your math that he is tied for seventh this year. Please explain.

he has 23 points
12 a on powerplay
2 g on powerplay
that makes 14 pp points.
so 23-14=9

that is not in the top 7
- hanleyaj

Nhl.com has him ranked 41 this year
28 last year

I am confused on how you do your math that he is tied for seventh this year. Please explain.

he has 23 points
12 a on powerplay
2 g on powerplay
that makes 14 pp points.
so 23-14=9

that is not in the top 7
- hanleyaj

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...gthPoints&viewName=points

He's ranked 41

Nhl.com has him ranked 41 this year
28 last year
- hanleyaj

We are talking among defenseman.

http://stats.hockeyanalys...sort=ipoints&sortdir=DESC

Granted there are 34 players on the list, but his 9 ES points ties him for ninth most.

But it's not biased: Who puts up more points more consistantly while playing with easily the worst group of forwards over a five year period ? Answer: Keith Yandle

Who puts up the best possession stats in hockey over the same period while playing on a team that favors defense and is not very good? Same answer.

Fact is, outside of Erik Karlsonn, no one has a bigger impact on games. This isn't my opinion, this is just something that is the truth.

Now, I agree there are other factors at play, which is why I don't claim he's the best of the best....but certainly anyone objectively looking into it must at the very least rethink their ideas about what makes a good defenseman and where Yandle ranks vs the rest of the NHL.

Erik Karlsson, Drew Doughty, Duncan Keith, Shea Weber....I think we can all agree those are the four best all-round Dmen in hockey. But after that, it gets extremely subjective and if you wanted to call Yandle #5 you have A TON of data to back up that statement.
- James_Tanner

This is the same argument made for Ryan miller being one of the top goalies in the league for years playing on one of the worst teams with a horrible defense and he was still putting up elite numbers. He gets traded to St louis on a great defensive team that has been a Stanley cup contender that only needed a good goalie and he craps the bed and was labeled overrated just like that. While I agree with you that it is hard to compare players playing for bottom of the barrel teams to elite teams, I dont think Yandle is as good as you believe him to be and could easily end up like miller. He would be a #1 guy on a lot of teams but on the elite teams of the league I think he would end up being a #2 or #3. Like JJ said I view his situation similarly to Hjalmarsson's great player who could be a #1 in alot of other places in the league but isn't because hes on an elite team with two elite guys in front of him.

We are talking among defenseman.
- James_Tanner

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20152ALLDADALL&sort=evenStrengthPoints&viewName=points

He's ranked 41
- rangerdanger94

Yeah tanner is an idiot. Cant trust any of the stats he post.

Yeah tanner is an idiot. Cant trust any of the stats he post.
- hanleyaj

One again

http://stats.hockeyanalys...sort=ipoints&sortdir=DESC

9th.

Although, let's be fair here I am in an idiot in the same way John Lennon was a bad songwriter.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20152ALLDADALL&sort=evenStrengthPoints&viewName=points

He's ranked 41
- rangerdanger94

Top 7 in Defensive points

We are talking among defenseman.

http://stats.hockeyanalys...sort=ipoints&sortdir=DESC

Granted there are 34 players on the list, but his 9 ES points ties him for ninth most.
- James_Tanner

There are 30 players with more ES points than him this year on that list. He is tied for 31st.

We are talking among defenseman.

http://stats.hockeyanalys...sort=ipoints&sortdir=DESC

Granted there are 34 players on the list, but his 9 ES points ties him for ninth most.
- James_Tanner

He's technically tied for the 7th most points (as in the league leader has 16 ES points which is 7 more than him) however there are currently 30 players that have more points than him.

Top 7 in Defensive points
- SJSharks39

No.

He's technically tied for the 7th most points (as in the league leader has 16 ES points which is 7 more than him) however there are currently 30 players that have more points than him.
- DirtyDozen

you are wrong again

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...gthPoints&viewName=points

Try are well known website called nhl.com has him ranked 41 among dman

No.
- rangerdanger94

Letang, Subban, Karlsson, Weber, & Yandle all tied for 7th in defensmen points right now at 23

Letang, Subban, Karlsson, Weber, & Yandle all tied for 7th in defensmen points right now at 23
- SJSharks39

He's talking about ES 5v5 points only.

He's technically tied for the 7th most points (as in the league leader has 16 ES points which is 7 more than him) however there are currently 30 players that have more points than him.
- DirtyDozen

Mark Giordano has25 ev points

Mark Giordano has25 ev points
- hanleyaj

Where the fack are these guys getting these stats from?

Where the fack are these guys getting these stats from?
- rangerdanger94

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...s&viewName=scoringLeaders

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20152ALLDADALL&sort=evenStrengthPoints&viewName=scoringLeaders
- hanleyaj

I know where you're getting your stats from. I'm talking about the other clowns who keep using the wrong ones.

I know where you're getting your stats from. I'm talking about the other clowns who keep using the wrong ones.
- rangerdanger94

Okay yeah tanner is so dumb his website is like 2 months out dated.

you are wrong again

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...gthPoints&viewName=points

Try are well known website called nhl.com has him ranked 41 among dman
- hanleyaj

lol when was the first time I was wrong? Based on the link he provided i didnt state anything incorrect...and i dont think that whether he's 30th or 41st is really the difference maker here haha

One again

http://stats.hockeyanalys...sort=ipoints&sortdir=DESC

9th.

Although, let's be fair here I am in an idiot in the same way John Lennon was a bad songwriter.
- James_Tanner

Please dont compare yourself to john lennon again. You are just embarrassing yourself.
Also you are really one of the dumbest and biased writers on this website.

lol when was the first time I was wrong? Based on the link he provided i didnt state anything incorrect...and i dont think that whether he's 30th or 41st is really the difference maker here haha
- DirtyDozen

Haha the only fault u have is trusting tanner and info he provides.