Haha the only fault u have is trusting tanner and info he provides.
- hanleyaj

I like Tanner's blogs and think he gets an unfair amount of hate - not saying I agree with everything he writes but it's interesting to read and he does have interesting opinions on things.

Some things are way out there like his blog about Domi and the point totals he expected for the yotes fwds before the season but other things like his defense of Ovechkin have some merit.

I think this blog is a good example (assuming his numbers are correct - which they arent but for arguments sake say they are) he brings up a good point that Keith Yandle may be a better defenseman than most give credit for and his defensive miscues may be overblown. I dont think he's top 5 or even top 10 likely but his point is fair. I liken it to how people blow Subban's defensive miscues way out of proportion (not comparing the two - just the fact that both have been labelled as defensive liabilities at times)

I like Tanner's blogs and think he gets an unfair amount of hate - not saying I agree with everything he writes but it's interesting to read and he does have interesting opinions on things.

Some things are way out there like his blog about Domi and the point totals he expected for the yotes fwds before the season but other things like his defense of Ovechkin have some merit.

I think this blog is a good example (assuming his numbers are correct - which they arent but for arguments sake say they are) he brings up a good point that Keith Yandle may be a better defenseman than most give credit for and his defensive miscues may be overblown. I dont think he's top 5 or even top 10 likely but his point is fair.
- DirtyDozen

Everybody aware Yandle is a great defenseman.

Welcome to the 2010-2011 season! "You base everything on reputation." Yandle leads all player in history in possession right? In fact he has the puck so much that he was a -23 last year. That means that while he was on the ice at evens, the opponents scored 23 more times than his own team. How is this possible when he is the only player carrying the puck when he's on the ice? Is he shooting into his own net? Its looking like he might be close to -20 again this season. Offensive defencemen may be better than strictly defensive players, but there can be no doubt the most valuable guys are strong defensively and offensively. Guys like Keith, Subban, Chara, Suter, Weber, Seabrook, and Doughty will always be better than guys like Yandle. Also, stop comparing Yandle to Weber and Keith. Yandle's comparable is someone like Letang.

He's talking about ES 5v5 points only.
- rangerdanger94

Then Yandle is tied for 12th

Everybody aware Yandle is a great defenseman.
- rangerdanger94

Yeah but from reading here most would put him outside the top 30...if - and its a big if - Tanners stats on possession and points rankings are correct over the past 5 years i think you'd be hard pressed to name 30 defenseman that are better than him right now (we are not talking potential).

One again

http://stats.hockeyanalys...sort=ipoints&sortdir=DESC

9th.

Although, let's be fair here I am in an idiot in the same way John Lennon was a bad songwriter.
- James_Tanner

I've seen it all now.

tanner knows he is an idiot so he wont say anything back anymore such a coward at least admit that you were wrong.
- hanleyaj

Chill man. You've called him an "idiot" twice, "dumb" once, and even threw in a "coward" for good measure. Do you realize that actually reflects more on you than him?

I think he's overvaluing Yandle but I don't need to resort to name-calling in my disagreement...

Then Yandle is tied for 12th
- SJSharks39

No.

Chill man. You've called him an "idiot" twice, "dumb" once, and even threw in a "coward" for good measure. Do you realize that actually reflects more on you than him?

I think he's overvaluing Yandle but I don't need to resort to name-calling in my disagreement...
- --Lamp--

Tanner is a master of bullpoop and provoking reads and hits to make $...he even compared himself to John Lennon ffs
My choice of words are actually much more acute

No.
- rangerdanger94

yeah.........there are people tied with points so Yandle is tied for 12th in even strength points

Chill man. You've called him an "idiot" twice, "dumb" once, and even threw in a "coward" for good measure. Do you realize that actually reflects more on you than him?

I think he's overvaluing Yandle but I don't need to resort to name-calling in my disagreement...
- --Lamp--

I am not even calling him an idiot for saying yandle is a top 5 dman. Which he isnt and it is pretty dumb statement. I am calling him an idiot for arguing with me over stats and being completely wrong. How can you write a column with stats that 2 months old. I never really paid attention to it until he called me out but i bet he has been doing this alot.

Tanner is a master of bullpoop and provoking reads and hits to make $...he even compared himself to John Lennon ffs
My choice of words are actually much more acute
- jimi james

The John Lennon of hockey blogging - maybe he's comparing his abiltity to cause polarizing reactions to his works.

yeah.........there are people tied with points so Yandle is tied for 12th in even strength points
- SJSharks39

There are 30 people with 10 or more points. Yandle is tied for 31st with 9.

Then Yandle is tied for 12th
- SJSharks39

Please just stop their are 40 dman with more points on even strength then yandle.

End of story

Tanner is a master of bullpoop and provoking reads and hits to make $...he even compared himself to John Lennon ffs
My choice of words are actually much more acute
- jimi james

Yeah, I know. He likes to stir things up.

But there is a part of me that loved the Lennon comment. Some people take the diplomatic approach (me), and some take the "I'm the (frank)ing king of france" approach--I respect that.

There are 30 people with 10 or more points. Yandle is tied for 31st with 9.
- rangerdanger94

There are 40 people with 10 or more points. Yandle is tied for 41st with 9.

i am pretty sure that was a typo considering u posted the website first.

Based on what? I just gave you some pretty objective information that suggest he's an elite #1 and in the top 5 - ten at the worst.
- James_Tanner

Yeah, and you justified that by trying to tell us you have to ignore his defensive deficiencies because of his CORSI.

This is starting to drive me crazy. This Tippet quote has been used too much. Look at this:

We had a player that was supposed to be a great, shut-down defenseman. He was supposedly the be-all, end-all of defensemen. But when you did a 10-game analysis of him, you found out he was defending all the time because he can’t move the puck.

"Then we had another guy, who supposedly couldn’t defend a lick. Well, he was defending only 20 percent of the time because he’s making good plays out of our end. He may not be the strongest defender, but he’s only doing it 20 percent of the time. So the equation works out better the other way. I ended up trading the other defenseman.

You need to start realizing that he was not talking literally. There is something to be said for someone who can move the puck out of his zone, and how that can affect a game. When a team lacks guys that can't do it, they get hemmed in.

But you need to start keeping in mind that if the other team has the puck, in your own zone, you actually have to GET the puck, before you move it out of the zone,and that involves defending.

Essentially, it's true that if you get the puck, you need someone to move it, otherwise the defending part is useless. You also need to realize that having someone who can move the puck out of the zone is useless if you can't defend and OBTAIN the puck as well.

I'm sure if you brought this quote up with Tippet, and tried to use it as a justification for ignoring defensive deficiencies, he's probably tell you great, you just need a dman with CORSI in the 80% region. Except, not a single dman in the NHL matches that description, and there are only a handful of players in the entire NHL that have CORSI over 60, and not a single one over 65. So, the very best possession players, on the very best teams in the NHL, is still defending 35 to 40% of the time. Great players on decent teams are still defending 45% of the time. I don't care how good your CORSI is, if you're not good defensively, as a dman, it's a big problem.

The 20% of the time argument really needs to be put to rest.

There are 40 people with 10 or more points. Yandle is tied for 41st with 9.

i am pretty sure that was a typo considering u posted the website first.
- hanleyaj

Correct.

The John Lennon of hockey blogging - maybe he's comparing his abiltity to cause polarizing reactions to his works.
- DirtyDozen

Except the motive and the quality of the works between the 2 cannot and should not be compared in any way shape or form whatsoever

Why? That's not that unfair.

Campbell's having an off season offensively, but has still been a solid 1-2 guy for years. You can argue Yandle is a bit better offensively, but I'd argue Campbell's better defensively in a harder role
- TheNugeIsHuge

Campbell has been declining for years. This "off" season he is having has been his career norm ever since getting is inflated contract that he earned while being sheltered on a deep and talented Hawks team. To compare Yandle to Campbell and say Campbell is better is laughable

Campbell has been declining for years. This "off" season he is having has been his career norm ever since getting is inflated contract that he earned while being sheltered on a deep and talented Hawks team. To compare Yandle to Campbell and say Campbell is better is laughable
- uf1910

He’s in the twilight of his career for sure, but he was pretty solid for Florida for a couple of years.

I am not even calling him an idiot for saying yandle is a top 5 dman. Which he isnt and it is pretty dumb statement. I am calling him an idiot for arguing with me over stats and being completely wrong. How can you write a column with stats that 2 months old. I never really paid attention to it until he called me out but i bet he has been doing this alot.
- hanleyaj

I am confused why you think the stats are out of date? As far as I know the stats from Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com are up to date and legit.

I just compared them to NHL.com and they seem the same. If I am missing something I am 100% willing to conceed a point, but I don't know where you have this idea they are out of date.

There are 30 people with 10 or more points. Yandle is tied for 31st with 9.
- rangerdanger94

Even strength points
1st-Gio 25 2nd-Carlson 20 3rd Subban 19 4th Brodie 18
5th Burns 16
Weber
Pietrangelo
Ekblad

6th Barrie 15
Hamilton

7th Suter 14
Doughty
Keith
Josi

8th Streit 13
Franson
Johnson
Fowler
Green
Lindholm

9th Wideman 12
Leddy
Schultz
Braun
Ellis

10th Letang 11
Faulk
Muzzin
Klien

11th Shattenkirk 10
Vatanen
Seabrook
Kronwall
Markov
Daley
Garrison
Goligoski
Russell
Stralman
Emelin

12th YANDLE 9

Even strength points
1st-Gio 25 2nd-Carlson 20 3rd Subban 19 4th Brodie 18
5th Burns 16
Weber
Pietrangelo
Ekblad

6th Barrie 15
Hamilton

7th Suter 14
Doughty
Keith
Josi

8th Streit 13
Franson
Johnson
Fowler
Green
Lindholm

9th Wideman 12
Leddy
Schultz
Braun
Ellis

10th Letang 11
Faulk
Muzzin
Klien

11th Shattenkirk 10
Vatanen
Seabrook
Kronwall
Markov
Daley
Garrison
Goligoski
Russell
Stralman
Emelin

12th YANDLE 9
- SJSharks39

That is not how you read those stats.

You are essentially saying that defensemen with 0 points are in the top 21 in ES scoring for defensemen.

That is not how you read those stats.

You are essentially saying that defensemen with 0 points are in the top 21 in ES scoring for defensemen.
- rangerdanger94

No i'm not at all saying that.

Then how do you read those stats? Cause to if players have same amount of points then they are tied are they not?