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- SJSharks39

Hey bud, don't get yourself banned for sinking to the level of that guy. He's just a kid I think and he loves to stir up trouble, but I appreciate having your post here and it's really just not worth it to get into with a guy who says such things. I think just based on what he said that everyone who reads it will know you are the superior intellect.

Campbell was what Johnny Oduya is today from 2008-2011: the 3rd or 4th (after Hjalmarsson showed up) defenseman in Chicago.

Byfuglien could play the point on my power play any day, after that, not so much. Lateral mobility issues have always been a problem for him. I prefer him as a RW, where if he would settle in and play the position, he could be All-Universe.
- John Jaeckel

Agree completely on both players. Buff is a RW and should remain there, yet on that Hawks team if memory serves me correct he played predominantly on D. Either way it wasn't until recently the Jets even put him at forward full time where if he stays he certainly has a chance to be Lucic if not better.

I wasn't trying to downplay Campbell's contributions to the Hawks. What I was trying to do was argue against a Campbell/Yandle comparison. Yandle has been equal to better than Campbell in a bad system with the Yotes. When Campbell moved on from the Hawks his play took a significant step backwards b/c he wasn't surrounded by the talent in Chicago which allowed him the freedom to impact the game whereas Yandle has been impacting the game on bad teams or in a bad system and if/when he moves on I would expect those contributions to increase

You make no sense, how can you say and i quote "There are 40 players with 10 or more points . Therefore Yandle is 41st and tied for 41st along with any other defensman that has 9 ES points.

so only Yandle can be tied at 41 with every other defensman with 9 ES points ......... but nobodys tied inthe top 40 right [] which would bring Yandle tied at12th. You can't say ttop 40 and then say Yandle's tied for 41st along every other defensmen with 9 ES points

He didn't spell it out for you in detail, because you should have grasped it by now.

Even Strength Points

1st - Giordano (25)
2nd - Carlson (20)
3rd - Subban (19)
4th - Brodie (18)
5th - Burns, Weber, Pietrangelo, Ekblad (16)

Now because there are 4 people tied for 5th, you must move 4 spots down for your next ranking.

9th - Barrie, Hamilton (15)
11th - Suter, Doughty, Keith, Josi (14)
15th - Streit, Franson, Johnson, Fowler, Green, Lindholm (13)
21st - Wideman, Leddy, Schultz, Braun, Ellis (12)
26th - Letang, Faulk, Muzzin, Klein (11)
30th - Shattenkirk, Vatanen, Seabrook, Kronwall, Markov, Daley, Garrison, Goligoski, Russell, Stralman, Emelin (10)
41st - YANDLE + others (9)

There ya go.

Think about it this way: there are 40 players that have more ESP than Yandle, so the highest he can possibly be ranked is 41st.

Hey bud, don't get yourself banned for sinking to the level of that guy. He's just a kid I think and he loves to stir up trouble, but I appreciate having your post here and it's really just not worth it to get into with a guy who says such things. I think just based on what he said that everyone who reads it will know you are the superior intellect.
- James_Tanner

Yeah i'm sorry James, don't want that to happen, struck a nerve got a family member who has autism.

You might autistic. Not even kidding.
- rangerdanger94

My son is autistic, so I know something about the subject. Pretty tough to diagnose someone with Austism Spectrum Disorders over the interwebs there buddy.

See what you made me do Tanner? Now I'm a huge bumhole.

Apologies guys, I definitely crossed the line there. But Tanner baited me into doing it.

Yeah i'm sorry James, don't want that to happen, struck a nerve got a family member who has autism.
- SJSharks39

Understandable. Its really a terrible thing to say, especially when arguing over something as dumb as the proper way to pronounce tomatoe. (Its tamater by the way).

See what you made me do Tanner? Now I'm a huge bumhole.

Apologies guys, I definitely crossed the line there. But Tanner baited me into doing it.
- rangerdanger94

Its the second time, just on my blogs, that you've said that. At least this time you didn't spend ten minutes arguing why it isn't offensive.

But yeah, great apology - except for the part where deflected the blame to me.

Its the second time, just on my blogs, that you've said that. At least this time you didn't spend ten minutes arguing why it isn't offensive.

But yeah, great apology - except for the part where deflected the blame to me.
- James_Tanner

It's your intention with your blogs. To frustrate and bait people into saying stupid poop that they regret. Congrats, you win.

Also can we just acknowledge that my stats were right and the ones you guys have been arguing over all day are actually wrong? thanks/

This guy has to be the worst blogger on here. Not only is he out of touch with reality, but he posts artificial stats. Last week he couldn't even post the conference playoffs teams....like he didn't even know which teams play in what conference......anything he posts is only to generate hits....

This guy has to be the worst blogger on here. Not only is he out of touch with reality, but he posts artificial stats. Last week he couldn't even post the conference playoffs teams....like he didn't ben know which teams play in what conference......anything he posts is only to generate hits....
- Kinggilmour

All my stats are right. All of them.

See what you made me do Tanner? Now I'm a huge bumhole.

Apologies guys, I definitely crossed the line there. But Tanner baited me into doing it.
- rangerdanger94

Thanks for apologizing, I'm sure other folks on here appreciate that too.

To be honest, I don't take as much offense as others do. Autism isn't a racial slur or a derogatory term; it's just a condition that some people have that can dramatically affect your abilities in life. But you should just be aware that not everyone sees it like I do--especially mothers and fathers of autistic kids who basically have their entire lives reconfigured in order to help raise their autistic children. Best to avoid trying to throw the term around loosely when making arguments on the net.

IMPORTANT


I just wanted to say that I was accused of providing out of date stats a few pages back and so I did my homework, checked with some sources and I can tell you this:

I am 100% confident in the stats I provided for this article and throughout the comments section. The stats come from the reputable site Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com and are not, as has been said, two months out of date.

They are up to the minute and they are accurate.

The discrepancy between those stats and NHL.Com in relation to the 5v5 stats comes from the fact that NHL.com does not account for 4v4 play, Empty nets, etc.

Anyways, just wanted to say that.
Thanks.
- James_Tanner

You are the Walrus. Goo goo gjchu!

All my stats are right. All of them.
- James_Tanner

No, they aren't. You said:

He is actually in a tie for seventh most 5v5 points by a D this season
- James_Tanner

Which is wrong. Whether you include all even strength points, or just 5v5, he is some where in the 34th to 41st range. That's why, even at the site you linked, there is a little number next to his name saying 34. The fact you and apparently one other person don't understand how rankings & statistics work doesn't make you right.

No, they aren't. You said:


Which is wrong. Whether you include all even strength points, or just 5v5, he is some where in the 34th to 41st range. That's why, even at the site you linked, there is a little number next to his name saying 34. The fact you and apparently one other person don't understand how rankings & statistics work doesn't make you right.
- Antilles

Stop arguing semantics with me man, I just don't care. So what ?- he's 34th, but if he gets 1 point he'll jump to 15th - whatever!

Point is, and I can't stress this enough: MY STATS WERE ALL 100% accurate.

If you want to take a petty approach to how I chose to interpret them, well that is up to you, but the fact is, I was accused of posting outdated stats and the ones I posted were 100% accurate.

Stop arguing semantics with me man, I just don't care. So what ?- he's 34th, but if he gets 1 point he'll jump to 15th - whatever!

Long time reader, recent member.

I am pretty entertained by how crazy this place is sometimes. I don't know if I have seen this before where labeling the stats correctly is ridiculed as "arguing semantics."

Is this really how stats are handled on this site regularly? You make a false statement, argue about it for 10 pages, then you finally retract it but say we are being petty for speaking the truth right off the official stats page and that you are basically correct because hypothetically he could get more points.

Based on this blog, I feel confident in claiming that Jordan Eberle is actually one of the top 10 best even strength forwards in the league because he is on a bad team, would undeniably blossom on an elite team, and even though he is technically tied for 78th in this statistical category, if he got 8 more ESP's he would be top 15.

By my calculation Tanner's Click Thru Rate since the "Tank" blog puts him in 2nd position - right after Henderson and Ekland who are currently tied for first.

Based on what? I just gave you some pretty objective information that suggest he's an elite #1 and in the top 5 - ten at the worst.
- James_Tanner

CococococoCo-Caiiiiiiiiine?

Long time reader, recent member.

I am pretty entertained by how crazy this place is sometimes. I don't know if I have seen this before where labeling the stats correctly is ridiculed as "arguing semantics."

Is this really how stats are handled on this site regularly? You make a false statement, argue about it for 10 pages, then you finally retract it but say we are being petty for speaking the truth right off the official stats page and that you are basically correct because hypothetically he could get more points.

Based on this blog, I feel confident in claiming that Jordan Eberle is actually one of the top 10 best even strength forwards in the league because he is on a bad team, would undeniably blossom on an elite team, and even though he is technically tied for 78th in this statistical category, if he got 8 more ESP's he would be top 15.
- tom_delonge_ava

First of all, you're 100% off base.

I wasn't involved nor did I care about whether or not being tied for seventh or 32nd is the correct terminology for determining how a player is ranked.

You could say "Player X" is ranked 32nd or you could say "He has the seventh most points" either would be correct and as such arguing over it for pages and pages is ridiculous and it is semantics. To dismiss such meaningless arguing is something I believe I was right to do. TO sit there and say I was dismissing it because I was proven wrong is just disingenuous and not at all accurate - I don't even think I was involved in that argument.

Perhaps you understandably didn't read through all the comments, but at once point I was accused of basing my entire blog and defense on inaccurate and faulty stats. To make sure this wasn't the case, I did my homework and found out the reason for the discrepancy was that the two sites track the even strength points differently.

At the end of the day, I posted no incorrect stats and while people are entitled to their opinions, I was never "proven" wrong about anything, so I would suggest if you're going to be sarcastic and caustic that you at least get your facts straight.

Stop arguing semantics with me man, I just don't care. So what ?- he's 34th, but if he gets 1 point he'll jump to 15th - whatever!

Point is, and I can't stress this enough: MY STATS WERE ALL 100% accurate.

If you want to take a petty approach to how I chose to interpret them, well that is up to you, but the fact is, I was accused of posting outdated stats and the ones I posted were 100% accurate.
- James_Tanner

Well the only stats that somewhat backup your argument is that he makes players around him better and he has a good CF%, but a lot of that is aided by his Ozone starts. Not to mention over that 5 year spread there are a number of players with a better CF%. Those individual corsi numbers are largely an offensive stat. Taking all this into account I'd say there quite a few holes in your argument.

I feel bad for Tanner....he's having a rough night.

I feel bad for Tanner....he's having a rough night.
- Jeropotato

Don't feel bad for me, I'm having a great night. Hockey, music, Homeland. No complaints here.....I could do without my words being twisted around and being accused of things I didn't do, and be misinterpreted by id........ah who am I kidding, what fun would it be if people were polite, respectful and intelligent?

The best oart of over 3/4 of these posts here today is I predicted the exact response in the body of the main blog......and just where are the people saying I made up stats once I have been vindicated? Writing and mailing apology letters I assume?

Although I am probably being unfair. There were a lot of decent arguments and some great points made, I had a good time overall. Hopefully a few people now realize that Yandle is way better than they thought, and with that, I am out...at least for a while.

Don't feel bad for me, I'm having a great night. Hockey, music, Homeland. No complaints here.....I could do without my words being twisted around and being accused of things I didn't do, and be misinterpreted by id........ah who am I kidding, what fun would it be if people were polite, respectful and intelligent?

The best oart of over 3/4 of these posts here today is I predicted the exact response in the body of the main blog......and just where are the people saying I made up stats once I have been vindicated? Writing and mailing apology letters I assume?

Although I am probably being unfair. There were a lot of decent arguments and some great points made, I had a good time overall. Hopefully a few people now realize that Yandle is way better than they thought, and with that, I am out...at least for a while.
- James_Tanner

Sure but if I and the 30 NHL GMs had a re draft of all the NHL d-Men , Yandle wouldnt be gone in the top 10. Probably not top 20.

Don't feel bad for me, I'm having a great night. Hockey, music, Homeland. No complaints here.....I could do without my words being twisted around and being accused of things I didn't do, and be misinterpreted by id........ah who am I kidding, what fun would it be if people were polite, respectful and intelligent?

The best oart of over 3/4 of these posts here today is I predicted the exact response in the body of the main blog......and just where are the people saying I made up stats once I have been vindicated? Writing and mailing apology letters I assume?

Although I am probably being unfair. There were a lot of decent arguments and some great points made, I had a good time overall. Hopefully a few people now realize that Yandle is way better than they thought, and with that, I am out...at least for a while.
- James_Tanner

You predicted the response because the response is correct. He's not good defensively. And then tried to dismiss it with an overused tippet quote.

I could just as easily argue "Sidney Crosby is a terrible hockey player. I know you're going to reference his points and championships, but he got the mumps".

Just because I predicted you would say he's a good hockey player doesn't mean my argument is right.