Grossman absolutely can be moved. He has more of playoff pedigree and frankly is flat out better than Luke. Not sure you'll get more than a 3rd though
- Just5

I agree that Grossmann is better. Schenn had a few rough shifts last night, but overall has been playing pretty solid hockey. That's one of the reasons I assume why Del Zotto has not gotten back in yet.

I also don't get this whole " we can't move all our vets because we need some for the prospects when they come up" thing some people keep putting out there. Even if they move Coburn, Grossmann and Macdonald as an exampl you still have Schenn and Streit and maybe even Del Zotto. There are some UFA's that might inerest this year.
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- J35Bacher

Why would you want to get into the free agent game with those players? Need some continuity going forward. Schultz is a player they should be looking to resign, not trade. Coburn should be kept unless there is an offer that they can't refuse. One of Schenn or Grossmann should be moved, to create a roster spot.

I think you could keep Zepp as a back up. I think you could move Emery to a playoff team wanting to have an insurance policy if something happened in the playoffs. Only problem is goalies rarly bring back any value in trades. Might be a very low round pick but at least it would be something. Then you could bring Zepp up and let Stolarz take on the majority of the work in the A
- J35Bacher

my thoughts exactly

Why would you want to get into the free agent game with those players? Need some continuity going forward. Schultz is a player they should be looking to resign, not trade. Coburn should be kept unless there is an offer that they can't refuse. One of Schenn or Grossmann should be moved, to create a roster spot.
- MJL

Schultz is a pure rental. Even if you want to resign him you likely will be able to this summer. The value you can get trading him is more important than the risk of not being able to resign him this summer. There are plenty of Schultz types to go around this summer

It's not about his value as a PO piece... it's about not adding a contract that may push a team over the cap in an uncertain economic climate.

Expiring Hejda / Michalek / Salvador / Hannan / Carkner / Weaver / Allen / Gleason / Schultz >>> Grossmann 2-years left.

The cap could still drop next year, and growth will probably be slower moving forward.
- Tomahawk

The cap is not going to drop. The same cap alarmist articles are written every year. It's a cry wolf syndrome. The cap is going up, it's just a question of how much. And it will be more then enough to work with.

Schultz is a pure rental. Even if you want to resign him you likely will be able to this summer. The value you can get trading him is more important than the risk of not being able to resign him this summer. There are plenty of Schultz types to go around this summer
- Just5

I don't think you're going to get the value you think you'll get. Even if it was a 3rd round pick, I'd rather keep him if he can be resigned to reasonable money. He has good value as a 3rd pair veteran defenseman in a cap environment. I disagree that there are plenty of that value available in the Summer. The Flyers got very fortunate that he has played as well as he has.

Why would you want to get into the free agent game with those players? Need some continuity going forward. Schultz is a player they should be looking to resign, not trade. Coburn should be kept unless there is an offer that they can't refuse. One of Schenn or Grossmann should be moved, to create a roster spot.
- MJL

If I can move Schultz for a 3d or 4th rounder I just got a nice asset for a purely rental player.

Also why can't i move Coburn if it gets me someone better to help this team moving forward. When they traded Zhitnik for Coburn did it make the Flyers better right away or did it help moving forward?

I don't think you're going to get the value you think you'll get. Even if it was a 3rd round pick, I'd rather keep him if he can be resigned to reasonable money. He has good value as a 3rd pair veteran defenseman in a cap environment. I disagree that there are plenty of that value available in the Summer. The Flyers got very fortunate that he has played as well as he has.
- MJL

Exactly.

If i can get a 3rd rounder for a rental i don't see the bad. Schultz could very well go back to being just very average. I would rather risk your approach with Del Zotto. not Schultz.

Exactly.

If i can get a 3rd rounder for a rental i don't see the bad. Schultz could very well go back to being just very average. I would rather risk your approach with Del Zotto. not Schultz.
- J35Bacher

Top-90 pick in 2015 would be a real coup for Schultz. Got the player for free. Would be brilliant asset-management.

I don't think you're going to get the value you think you'll get. Even if it was a 3rd round pick, I'd rather keep him if he can be resigned to reasonable money. He has good value as a 3rd pair veteran defenseman in a cap environment. I disagree that there are plenty of that value available in the Summer. The Flyers got very fortunate that he has played as well as he has.
- MJL

So there won't be plenty of cap friendly 3rd pairing guys available this summer?

Schultz has proven in this league he could play competent top 4 minutes on crappy teams in this league which is exactly what he's doing. It's not shocking, it just helps expose the fact that if a GM does some homework you can sign a guy for that cheap that brings the same type of play of the dmen we have signed for 2x and 3x more than him

If I can move Schultz for a 3d or 4th rounder I just got a nice asset for a purely rental player.

Also why can't i move Coburn if it gets me someone better to help this team moving forward. When they traded Zhitnik for Coburn did it make the Flyers better right away or did it help moving forward?
- J35Bacher

It's a marginal asset at best. Keeping Schultz as a low cost reliable 3rd pair veteran defenseman is a better asset then a 3rd or 4th round pick. It will give the Flyers some added cap flexibility if they can lighten the cap load by moving one of Schenn or Grossmann. Schultz is an adequate stop gap replacement for one of them, and can help shoulder some of the hard minutes in the next season or two, to help foster a better environment for one of the young defenseman who makes the team in the future.

As far as Coburn is concerned, we've had this conversation in the past. I'm not giving Coburn away. I need quality value to trade him. If I can get a stud prospect, which is what Coburn was at the time of the Zhitnik trade, then I would make the deal. But I need real value to trade Coburn. Otherwise I keep him. The option would still be there to deal in the 15/16 season if it comes to that.

So there won't be plenty of cap friendly 3rd pairing guys available this summer?

Schultz has proven in this league he could play competent top 4 minutes on crappy teams in this league which is exactly what he's doing. It's not shocking, it just helps expose the fact that if a GM does some homework you can sign a guy for that cheap that brings the same type of play of the dmen we have signed for 2x and 3x more than him
- Just5

You can get all the cap friendly 3rd pair guys you want. Remember Bruno Gervais, Korey Foster? Usually get what you pay for, but one who can play as well as Schultz has, I doubt it.

Exactly.

If i can get a 3rd rounder for a rental i don't see the bad. Schultz could very well go back to being just very average. I would rather risk your approach with Del Zotto. not Schultz.
- J35Bacher

It wouldn't be bad. He is just a better asset to keep if the price to resign him is reasonable. The odds of a 3rd round pick becoming anything is very low.

from what I've been watching, i would keep shultz, imo he is the most stable dman we have, he has the the best +/- rating of our men at +8

If I can move Schultz for a 3d or 4th rounder I just got a nice asset for a purely rental player.

Also why can't i move Coburn if it gets me someone better to help this team moving forward. When they traded Zhitnik for Coburn did it make the Flyers better right away or did it help moving forward?
- J35Bacher

Also, if Schultz hit free agency, the Flyers can turn around and try to re-sign him, if they so desire.

The Flyers need to grab picks in the upcoming draft & beyond. If they can shuffle off a piece now, what's the harm?

The cap is not going to drop. The same cap alarmist articles are written every year. It's a cry wolf syndrome. The cap is going up, it's just a question of how much. And it will be more then enough to work with.
- MJL

Its not alarmist. If the canadian dollar falls then the cap might drop.

Also, if Schultz hit free agency, the Flyers can turn around and try to re-sign him, if they so desire.

The Flyers need to grab picks in the upcoming draft & beyond. If they can shuffle off a piece now, what's the harm?
- Jsaquella

i would try to trade macdonald, for picks before shultz

Also, if Schultz hit free agency, the Flyers can turn around and try to re-sign him, if they so desire.

The Flyers need to grab picks in the upcoming draft & beyond. If they can shuffle off a piece now, what's the harm?
- Jsaquella

Stockpiling picks is not a guarantee of anything. Look through the NHL draft history and see how many 3rd round picks actually pan out. That the Flyers were able to get a 3rd round pick for Tye McGinn from SJ tells you the value of a 3rd round pick, not much. A fire sale of players is the wrong way to go in my opinion. If someone wants to overpay for a player like Schultz, then move him. I see real value in keeping him as a low cost reliable 3rd pair defenseman that can take on some hard minutes to help ease the transition for one or more of the young defenseman who will break in, rather then throwing they to the wolves. There will be little risk in retaining Schultz.

Its not alarmist. If the canadian dollar falls then the cap might drop.
- PhillaBully

Players could elect not to take the cap-escalator, too, based on the forecasts. Poof, there goes all your projected increases.

from what I've been watching, i would keep shultz, imo he is the most stable dman we have, he has the the best +/- rating of our men at +8
- mydoglicks

that tells us what trouble this defense is in...Im all in for a full rebuild....By the time this defense is good again giroux and voracek are going to need wheelchairs to get around the ice...if someones giving me the first overall for giroux and i have the 2nd or 3rd pick id do it

It wouldn't be bad. He is just a better asset to keep if the price to resign him is correct. The odds of a 3rd round pick becoming anything is very low.
- MJL

And that is faulty thinking. You do your homework and select a player that can be something. PLenty of teams have drafted solid players in the third round. Your thinking is the same thinking that got the Philliesin trouble. Keep bring back vet after vet because it seems safer then maybe the prospect or in hockey the pick you might aquire.

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I think I would take my chances on moving Schultz if I can possibly get one of these.

Its not alarmist. If the canadian dollar falls then the cap might drop.
- PhillaBully

It is being an alarmist. The Canadien dollar will effect how much it goes up. The cap has gone up every year in it's existence since it was put into effect since 2005, except for one year. That was the year it was artificially lowered coming out of the lockout. The NHL will continue to take in record revenue.

It wouldn't be bad. He is just a better asset to keep if the price to resign him is reasonable. The odds of a 3rd round pick becoming anything is very low.
- MJL

I would rather take my chances on a 3rd round pick than have Schultz for another year that doesn't matter.

i would try to trade macdonald, for picks before shultz
- mydoglicks

Nobody is taking MacDonald. Schultz has done as good a job as anyone could have hoped. Move him for a pick, then if you really liked him that much, try to re-sign him in the summer.

Same goes for Emery or pretty much any pending UFA they have. It's not like they're trading an irreplaceable piece. There's nobody on the defense I'd say is untouchable. If another team offered enough for any of them, I'd be OK making the move.

Also, if Schultz hit free agency, the Flyers can turn around and try to re-sign him, if they so desire.

The Flyers need to grab picks in the upcoming draft & beyond. If they can shuffle off a piece now, what's the harm?
- Jsaquella

None. If you can get 3 3rd round picks for guys that won't be here in 2-3 years anyway, do it. More picks = more chances to get a steal.