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AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 31 @ 4:13 PM ET
Interesting backread.

I think the Flyers should be a little better than they are. But the record is what it is: Two games under after 36 games played.

The backread is interesting because for a team that isn't performing, there are a lot of sacred cows. I want this team to succeed and I am disappointed in the season overall, and I like some players more than others, but everybody not named Giroux and Voracek has to be expendable in a good hockey deal. Because no matter what I want to think, they are not winning enough hockey games, and this is a results business.

This isn't the 1970s Canadiens we are talking about. They could swap out every player on this roster not named Giroux and Voracek and find adequate replacements, over time. They need to start cutting ties with players who got them here and looking for upgrades -- that is what having vision is all about, and having the stomach to take risks.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 31 @ 4:18 PM ET
Are you saying that they didn't win because of that? The point was that the need was there for that element in the lineup.
- MJL


That element isn't needed anymore in today's NHL. I don't want my D blocking shots, I want them in position to take a man off the rebound. Shot blocking isn't needed.



3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Dec 31 @ 4:18 PM ET
Read Giroux Voracek
Raffl Couturier Umberger
Schenn Laughton Simmonds
VandeVelde Bellemare Lecavalier

- Pixote Andolini



Umberger 2nd line!! You know your team is close to rock bottom
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Dec 31 @ 4:23 PM ET
Morin has had 2 shifts in first 10 min Thought he would get more ice since this is a physical game.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Dec 31 @ 4:24 PM ET
THIS IS AWESOME
THIS IS AWESOME
ManCity
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pike County, PA
Joined: 05.24.2014

Dec 31 @ 4:25 PM ET
I don't know if it's already been mentioned but Oskar Lindblom had a hat trick today in a win against Switzerland.

http://www.worldjunior201...es/2014-12-31/SUI-vs-SWE/
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 31 @ 4:28 PM ET
Tippett's also a coach that seems to be able to adjust and adapt to best fits his personnel. He did well in Dallas with a good team and has worked near miracles in Phoenix
- Jsaquella


That's exactly why he's my #1 guy
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 31 @ 4:30 PM ET
What I am saying is this: Is this Hextall's team? Does he feel hamstrung by certain salaries? Is he unable to make deals because of term to certain players?

Most importantly, to me: How long before something gets done, things get done, that need to happen to move this franchise forward?

It is ridiculous to me that they have the roster they do, with the salary commitments they have, aren't winning, and not a trade or demotion has taken place.

It's easy to look at old players like VLC and Umberger, who deserve criticism but are also past their primes. They should not bear the sole responsibility for what this team is currently.

I am sick of watching defensemen who can't pass and can barely skate. Forwards who can't receive passes. Players who can't figure out how to consistently kill penalties.

At some point, you are better off trying young players or different players, rather than just running the same guys out there and expecting different results.

Derek Roy, Dany Heatley, etc., were big names in the league once. Victor Stalberg's been waived and demoted. Magnus Paajarvi was a top-10 pick. He's been waived and demoted.

Other teams are discarding players who don't help,them win. It's time for the Flyers to start getting guys off the roster, not scratching them.
Yosimar89
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Joined: 05.11.2010

Dec 31 @ 4:32 PM ET
Morin has had 2 shifts in first 10 min Thought he would get more ice since this is a physical game.
- 3flyerkids

He's the 7th dmen, unless somebody get's injured he'll continue to be the 7th guy.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 31 @ 4:33 PM ET
It's a special treat when Berube uses them at the same time on the PK.
- Jsaquella


Like watching two tanks parallel park
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 31 @ 4:33 PM ET
What I am saying is this: Is this Hextall's team? Does he feel hamstrung by certain salaries? Is he unable to make deals because of term to certain players?

Most importantly, to me: How long before something gets done, things get done, that need to happen to move this franchise forward?

It is ridiculous to me that they have the roster they do, with the salary commitments they have, aren't winning, and not a trade or demotion has taken place.

It's easy to look at old players like VLC and Umberger, who deserve criticism but are also past their primes. They should not bear the sole responsibility for what this team is currently.

I am sick of watching defensemen who can't pass and can barely skate. Forwards who can't receive passes. Players who can't figure out how to consistently kill penalties.

At some point, you are better off trying young players or different players, rather than just running the same guys out there and expecting different results.

Derek Roy, Dany Heatley, etc., were big names in the league once. Victor Stalberg's been waived and demoted. Magnus Paajarvi was a top-10 pick. He's been waived and demoted.

Other teams are discarding players who don't help,them win. It's time for the Flyers to start getting guys off the roster, not scratching them.

- AllInForFlyers


I like you.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Dec 31 @ 4:37 PM ET
Morin has had 2 shifts in first 10 min Thought he would get more ice since this is a physical game.
- 3flyerkids

Morin just had a whale of a shift there.
FlyerLifer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 09.11.2007

Dec 31 @ 4:38 PM ET
What I am saying is this: Is this Hextall's team? Does he feel hamstrung by certain salaries? Is he unable to make deals because of term to certain players?

Most importantly, to me: How long before something gets done, things get done, that need to happen to move this franchise forward?

It is ridiculous to me that they have the roster they do, with the salary commitments they have, aren't winning, and not a trade or demotion has taken place.

It's easy to look at old players like VLC and Umberger, who deserve criticism but are also past their primes. They should not bear the sole responsibility for what this team is currently.

I am sick of watching defensemen who can't pass and can barely skate. Forwards who can't receive passes. Players who can't figure out how to consistently kill penalties.

At some point, you are better off trying young players or different players, rather than just running the same guys out there and expecting different results.

Derek Roy, Dany Heatley, etc., were big names in the league once. Victor Stalberg's been waived and demoted. Magnus Paajarvi was a top-10 pick. He's been waived and demoted.

Other teams are discarding players who don't help,them win. It's time for the Flyers to start getting guys off the roster, not scratching them.

- AllInForFlyers


You are my hero.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Dec 31 @ 4:39 PM ET
Morin just had a whale of a shift there.
- Pixote Andolini


And Eichel lost a puck along the boards in the neutral zone. Such a loser.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Dec 31 @ 4:39 PM ET
Eww they called that?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 31 @ 4:39 PM ET
Nick Ritchie "making things happen"
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Dec 31 @ 4:42 PM ET
All you streamers out there - wiziwig is done. Spain passed a law deading it as of today.
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Dec 31 @ 4:42 PM ET
Domi Jr is playing well but he seems to be a Jack A** like his Dad.
Yosimar89
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Joined: 05.11.2010

Dec 31 @ 4:44 PM ET
Canada had a lot of time of possession that period, i think as usual this will come down to goaltending.

Demko is looking studly right now.

Is it me or does it not feel like as big as a home advantage that Canada had the last 2 times it was held over there? IDK those building were louder and a lot more rowdy than i remember these two host cities being.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Dec 31 @ 4:45 PM ET
Morin just had a whale of a shift there.
- Pixote Andolini

And another at the end. Some people are making a big deal that lower drafted players are getting more minutes but its still early in the tournament. Also, all those other guys haves played more than Morin. Youd be foolish to think thst the time he missed with the broken jaw hasn't pushed his development back a tad bit. Hes been very solid with the time hes had
VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

Dec 31 @ 4:45 PM ET
Is there a live stream for the USA v Canada game not I don't have to pay for?
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Dec 31 @ 4:46 PM ET
Domi Jr is playing well but he seems to be a Jack A** like his Dad.
- 3flyerkids

Haha yeah he's got a lot of panache.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Dec 31 @ 4:46 PM ET
Is there a live stream for the USA v Canada game not I don't have to pay for?
- VladDrag

http://neolive.net/4587/1/Watch-Canada-vs-USA/
VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

Dec 31 @ 4:47 PM ET
http://neolive.net/4587/1/Watch-Canada-vs-USA/
- Pixote Andolini



Thank you!
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 31 @ 4:47 PM ET
They need to start with Luke Schenn. Not because he is a scapegoat. Not because he doesn't try hard.

But because he isn't good enough to hold down his position in the lineup, scratching him does no good, and he needs to go down to the "A" and work on his game in an environment that doesn't cost the Flyers anything.

Could he get claimed, if you try to send him down? Sure. But who the hell cares? He's a No. 6 defenseman making $3.5 million! You have to ignore his name and who he was traded for and either trade him or hope he gets claimed, because his salary is not commensurate with what he is currently doing.
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