And another at the end. Some people are making a big deal that lower drafted players are getting more minutes but its still early in the tournament. Also, all those other guys haves played more than Morin. Youd be foolish to think thst the time he missed with the broken jaw hasn't pushed his development back a tad bit. Hes been very solid with the time hes had
- KINGKENZO

Bob MacKenzie just tossed Morin some daps there pick pocketing Eichel on the PK there at the end.

Morin just had a whale of a shift there.
- Pixote Andolini

Only caught the tail end of the period but big Sam looked great there.
I guess I saw the best part.

Nick Ritchie is a Duck right? Perfect fit.

They need to start with Luke Schenn. Not because he is a scapegoat. Not because he doesn't try hard.

But because he isn't good enough to hold down his position in the lineup, scratching him does no good, and he needs to go down to the "A" and work on his game in an environment that doesn't cost the Flyers anything.

Could he get claimed, if you try to send him down? Sure. But who the hell cares? He's a No. 6 defenseman making $3.5 million! You have to ignore his name and who he was traded for and either trade him or hope he gets claimed, because his salary is not commensurate with what he is currently doing.
- AllInForFlyers

Sending him down might also help some of the kids on the blueline in the A like Hagg and Alt. Silver lining if he's claimed (he won't be) the Flyers are only on the hook for 1.75M for a useless anchor.

Sending him down might also help some of the kids on the blueline in the A like Hagg and Alt. Silver lining if he's claimed (he won't be) the Flyers are only on the hook for 1.75M for a useless anchor.
- Pixote Andolini

If he's claimed the Flyers are off the hook totally.
If he's unclaimed, the Flyers still carry $2.5mm of dead space for him

If he's claimed the Flyers are off the hook totally.
- Jsaquella

Even better but I doubt they A) send him down and B) he's claimed if that happens.

They need to start with Luke Schenn. Not because he is a scapegoat. Not because he doesn't try hard.

But because he isn't good enough to hold down his position in the lineup, scratching him does no good, and he needs to go down to the "A" and work on his game in an environment that doesn't cost the Flyers anything.

Could he get claimed, if you try to send him down? Sure. But who the hell cares? He's a No. 6 defenseman making $3.5 million! You have to ignore his name and who he was traded for and either trade him or hope he gets claimed, because his salary is not commensurate with what he is currently doing.
- AllInForFlyers

Do you think time in the AHL would help him at this point? It is a fairly radical idea, definitely interesting to me.

And another at the end. Some people are making a big deal that lower drafted players are getting more minutes but its still early in the tournament. Also, all those other guys haves played more than Morin. Youd be foolish to think thst the time he missed with the broken jaw hasn't pushed his development back a tad bit. Hes been very solid with the time hes had
- KINGKENZO

There's too many politics when it comes to picking these teams and so many differing factors.

there's no way the 7 guys picked ahead of sanheim were having better seasons than he was having yet he doesn't get picked because he's younger and maybe doesn't fit the style of this frenchy coach and the style the coaching staff is looking for. Meanwhile Crouse is younger, and hasn't really put up the numbers that would make you say he should be there yet he gets picked for the team.

Sending him down might also help some of the kids on the blueline in the A like Hagg and Alt. Silver lining if he's claimed (he won't be) the Flyers are only on the hook for 1.75M for a useless anchor.
- Pixote Andolini

Exactly -- these are the tough decisions that I want to see Hextall make. Carlo Coliacovo is just sitting there. You can play him, and the Flyers don't have to bring up a young player who might not be ready.

But it's time to address stuff like Luke Schenn, whether it be trade or demotion.

Do you think time in the AHL would help him at this point? It is a fairly radical idea, definitely interesting to me.
- Marc D

He's burning 3.6M scratched for a 3rd of the season, playing limited minutes when he does play. He'd be less of a hit down in the A. Have to weigh the pros and cons.

Exactly -- these are the tough decisions that I want to see Hextall make. Carlo Coliacovo is just sitting there. You can play him, and the Flyers don't have to bring up a young player who might not be ready.

But it's time to address stuff like Luke Schenn, whether it be trade or demotion.
- AllInForFlyers

The trouble is, if you send a guy like Schenn down, there's no hope of trading him. He might get claimed on waivers, but even then you get nothing in the way of an asset for him.

I also don't think he's been markedly worse than Grossmann, all things considered.

Exactly -- these are the tough decisions that I want to see Hextall make. Carlo Coliacovo is just sitting there. You can play him, and the Flyers don't have to bring up a young player who might not be ready.

But it's time to address stuff like Luke Schenn, whether it be trade or demotion.
- AllInForFlyers

I doubt trade is possible unless it's wrapped with a bow (1st round pick) or something ridiculous like taking back another albatross contract in return.

Do you think time in the AHL would help him at this point? It is a fairly radical idea, definitely interesting to me.
- Marc D

It likely won't, tbh. But it's time to just be honest and stop looking at every other factor that comes with Schenn except for his play on the ice.

I wanted it to work, and he can't control where he was drafted and who he was traded for. But the worst thing for the Flyers is to keep running him out there, seeing him not perform, scratch him, see him not perform, scratch him.

If he name was "Luke Jones," no one would bat an eye if he was waived, and that has to be how the Flyers start looking at this stuff.

The trouble is, if you send a guy like Schenn down, there's no hope of trading him. He might get claimed on waivers, but even then you get nothing in the way of an asset for him.

I also don't think he's been markedly worse than Grossmann, all things considered.
- Jsaquella

I have to think there would be some team willing to give up a mid round pick for Schenn at the least. He's still fairly young and has shown some ability at times.

Exactly -- these are the tough decisions that I want to see Hextall make. Carlo Coliacovo is just sitting there. You can play him, and the Flyers don't have to bring up a young player who might not be ready.

But it's time to address stuff like Luke Schenn, whether it be trade or demotion.
- AllInForFlyers

I think Hextall is fully evaluating everything. He's not going issue edicts to Berube on who to play because he wants to see what Berube will do in a given situation.

As far as Schenn goes, I don't think he's markedly worse than Grossmann, or anyone else. Sending him down only devalues an already damaged asset further and does little to help the cap situation.

I have to think there would be some team willing to give up a mid round pick for Schenn at the least. He's still fairly young and has shown some ability at times.
- PhillySportsGuy

It wouldn't amaze me if that was the case, we've seen worse guys traded for 4th & 5th rounders.

The trouble is, if you send a guy like Schenn down, there's no hope of trading him. He might get claimed on waivers, but even then you get nothing in the way of an asset for him.

I also don't think he's been markedly worse than Grossmann, all things considered.
- Jsaquella

Believe me, if I had my way, once Schenn was dealt with, Grossmann's next. Not off the roster entirely, but it is time to look at his minutes and usage and understand that just because you can put him out there doesn't mean you should.

All of that defense has to get looked at, individually and as a whole. Every piece.

Flyers VS another struggling club. It stands to reason we will lose.

Wow linesmen missed a blatant offside and now it's icing against the States. Demko is really playing well. Nurse looks great.

I think Hextall is fully evaluating everything. He's not going issue edicts to Berube on who to play because he wants to see what Berube will do in a given situation.

As far as Schenn goes, I don't think he's markedly worse than Grossmann, or anyone else. Sending him down only devalues an already damaged asset further and does little to help the cap situation.
- Jsaquella

Schenn has already established his value -- let's be honest. He has played 500 games, been in the league six years. Ten straight great games isn't going to change what anyone thinks of him, anymore than 10 straight games as a scratch or in the A.

It wouldn't amaze me if that was the case, we've seen worse guys traded for 4th & 5th rounders.
- Jsaquella

We've seen below average defenseman traded for 2nd rounders+. Just wait for the deadline and I'm sure teams will become more willing. I know they have the years left on the deal, but a contending team might find that appealing. Flyers can always offer to eat some money on the deal too.

Believe me, if I had my way, once Schenn was dealt with, Grossmann's next. Not off the roster entirely, but it is time to look at his minutes and usage and understand that just because you can put him out there doesn't mean you should.

All of that defense has to get looked at, individually and as a whole. Every piece.
- AllInForFlyers

I'm all for playing kids, but I want to maximize assets.

Also, the kids are playing well in the AHL, but there are some growing pains. Alt has been inconsistent since his injury, Hagg looks solid, but not sure he's ready. Manning isn't really a legit prospect and Lauridsen is terrible.

I'd give Berube another month. By then he's going to figure it out or they will be so far out it won't matter. Then you can start issuing directions on who to play and how to use them, or just fire him altogether

Boom Domi.

Max Domi is such a (frank)ing punk. I can't wait until someone cracks his jaw open. He better hope that Toma's Kaberle has a kid who can protect him.

Schenn has already established his value -- let's be honest. He has played 500 games, been in the league six years. Ten straight great games isn't going to change what anyone thinks of him, anymore than 10 straight games as a scratch or in the A.
- AllInForFlyers

You send him down now, nobody is gonna touch him at the TDL. I just don't see a reasonto do something that drastic now. Unless it's to force Berube to play MDZ or Colaiacovo, and if you have to do that, then fire the coach, because at that point, the GM is basically the coach anyhow.

Dumping Schenn to the Phantoms so MDZ can play isn't going to get this team into the playoffs

We've seen below average defenseman traded for 2nd rounders+. Just wait for the deadline and I'm sure teams will become more willing. I know they have the years left on the deal, but a contending team might find that appealing. Flyers can always offer to eat some money on the deal too.
- PhillySportsGuy

It's what needs to happen to move forward. They can run MDZ and Colicacovo as 6/7 for the rest of the season and it won't cost them anything more than they are already paying.