well, it depends on how you view this season. if you are content with just writing it off, and reevaluating in the offseason, then i guess it really is just irrelevant if it occurs right now. but as a fan, i could understand the frustration with watching the repetitious bumbling of passes and lack of skating ability.

at the same time, what exactly is gained by keeping him? if you think you will be able to trade him more in the offseason, then okay, i guess.

but i just dont see him as necessarily a part of a solution going forward. once you have that label, the sand in the hourglass should be dwindling
- stayinthefnnet

It's asset management. There won't be a lot of competition for players in the trade market as there will be later. I think he struggled somewhat in the Arizona game, but I thought he was playing solid hockey for the last few weeks. I think Luke Schenn is a better player then you're giving him credit for.

That has to be goalie interference
- mayorofangrytown

Nope

No NHL team will pass a draft pick for Luke Schenn. No franking way. No team wants a borderline 6/7 dman that can't skate and carries a 3.6M cap hit. No team.
- Pixote Andolini

That's the tough part to swallow -- and if that's true, he's sunk cost and just move on

That's the tough part to swallow -- and if that's true, he's sunk cost and just move on
- AllInForFlyers

I don't believe that to be true for a single second.

haha i would like to see this.

but yeah exactly. if you are an overall negative asset, and you can be moved, it truly is an addition by subtraction.
- stayinthefnnet

The thing is, he's not an overall negative. He's overpaid and limited as a player, but he can still be an OK 3rd pair guy. He's physical and shoots righty. He's not utterly worthless.

The thing is, rushing out and making a move now, for the sake of making a move, doesn't help. They're not a playoff team by dumping Schenn, and the flexibility in cap room and a cleared roster spot would be more to facilitate other deals at the TDL, where the Flyers could possibly take an expiring contract to help a deal go through.

EDIT: In terms of Schenn, specifically, I think he could get a pick, but the Flyers might have to eat a bit of money. Rather lose him on waivers than take a 4th and eat $750K or whatever.

Nope
- ob18

That's two for instigation on you right there buddy boy. Take a seat.

can we quote you on that?
- Doc_Sarcasm

Sure I'll admit it happily if I'm proven wrong.


Remember when the Flyers were going to trade VLC?

The thing is, he's not an overall negative. He's overpaid and limited as a player, but he can still be an OK 3rd pair guy. He's physical and shoots righty. He's not utterly worthless.

The thing is, rushing out and making a move now, for the sake of making a move, doesn't help. They're not a playoff team by dumping Schenn, and the flexibility in cap room and a cleared roster spot would be more to facilitate other deals at the TDL, where the Flyers could possibly take an expiring contract to help a deal go through.
- Jsaquella

It's not "rushing out and making a move" when you are scratching the player -- the entire league knows what you think of him. They've known since last year.

It's asset management. There won't be a lot of competition for players in the trade market as there will be later. I think he struggled somewhat in the Arizona game, but I thought he was playing solid hockey for the last few weeks. I think Luke Schenn is a better player then you're giving him credit for.
- MJL

i know you do, and thats fine. i'm not one to get into bickering about opinions. we all have our preferences and different ways of seeing things.

ill be the first to admit that read has been pretty paltry this year and i still would take him.

but i do think thats pretty much what separates our lines of thinking year. the quality of player, paired with that contract, makes schenn a negative asset in my eyes.

Oh look, it's the '80s. The wave is back.

Sure I'll admit it happily if I'm proven wrong.


Remember when the Flyers were going to trade VLC?
- Pixote Andolini

Remember when Scott Gomez and his contract was deemed un-tradeable? The Rangers got Ryan McDonagh as part of the return for that un-tradeable player. Certainly an outlier and not comparable, but Luke Schenn is not in the same category as Gomez or Lecavalier. His contract isn't that punitive, and he is still a decent physical defenseman. That kind of player still has some value.

It's not "rushing out and making a move" when you are scratching the player -- the entire league knows what you think of him. They've known since last year.
- AllInForFlyers

I think you're reading too much into the scratch. Del Zotto's been scratched 11 of the last 13. Should the Flyers waive him?

Pretty goal there bad turnover for CA.

Should be tied... Bastards

i know you do, and thats fine. i'm not one to get into bickering about opinions. we all have our preferences and different ways of seeing things.

ill be the first to admit that read has been pretty paltry this year and i still would take him.

but i do think thats pretty much what separates our lines of thinking year. the quality of player, paired with that contract, makes schenn a negative asset in my eyes.
- stayinthefnnet

He has one more year after this at 3.6M. Not a lot of money, and not a lot of risk. It's really going to depend on what needs are out there.

Sure I'll admit it happily if I'm proven wrong.


Remember when the Flyers were going to trade VLC?
- Pixote Andolini

I remember us hoping that Nashville might take him off our hands, but I don't remember there being a whole lot of optimism that someone was going to take all those years on a player obviously on the decline.

The thing is, he's not an overall negative. He's overpaid and limited as a player, but he can still be an OK 3rd pair guy. He's physical and shoots righty. He's not utterly worthless.

The thing is, rushing out and making a move now, for the sake of making a move, doesn't help. They're not a playoff team by dumping Schenn, and the flexibility in cap room and a cleared roster spot would be more to facilitate other deals at the TDL, where the Flyers could possibly take an expiring contract to help a deal go through.

EDIT: In terms of Schenn, specifically, I think he could get a pick, but the Flyers might have to eat a bit of money. Rather lose him on waivers than take a 4th and eat $750K or whatever.
- Jsaquella

no, i dont think moving schenn makes them a playoff team. but to me, he is an overall negative asset for the things you listed.

luke schenn at say right around 2 mil is still a bottom pairing guy, but it is a much easier pill to swallow. when you are a team that is constantly up against the cap like the flyers, the money really matters. yes, guys will be overpaid by a mil here and there. but that has to be on the right players. not a bottom pairing guy who is in and out of the lineup.

It's not "rushing out and making a move" when you are scratching the player -- the entire league knows what you think of him. They've known since last year.
- AllInForFlyers

Too much is being made of Luke Schenn sitting out a game. Or more if it happens.

God knows I want Ron Hextall to be the smartest guy in the room, but sometimes there are no cards coming on the flop.

Luke Schenn is a 5/6/7. That's it. Wish he was more, wish he was set-and-forget, but he isn't.

Whenever the Flyers make a move on him is a good time, because his salary, contract slot and roster slot can only be improved, not downgraded, if Hextall is a smart manager.

God knows I want Ron Hextall to be the smartest guy in the room, but sometimes there are no cards coming on the flop.

Luke Schenn is a 5/6/7. That's it. Wish he was more, wish he was set-and-forget, but he isn't.

Whenever the Flyers make a move on him is a good time, because his salary, contract slot and roster slot can only be improved, not downgraded, if Hextall is a smart manager.
- AllInForFlyers

you feel about schenn how i feel about scuderi. would be better off gone, as soon as possible.

no, i dont think moving schenn makes them a playoff team. but to me, he is an overall negative asset for the things you listed.

luke schenn at say right around 2 mil is still a bottom pairing guy, but it is a much easier pill to swallow. when you are a team that is constantly up against the cap like the flyers, the money really matters. yes, guys will be overpaid by a mil here and there. but that has to be on the right players. not a bottom pairing guy who is in and out of the lineup.
- stayinthefnnet

The money simply doesn't matter right now. If the Flyers waive demote, or trade him right now, or at the deadline because they're in LTIR, the cap space saved is minimal and the same. The deadline space gained to make other moves is the same. Now of were talking about gaining cap flexibility for the off season and making moves around the draft, then moving him at the deadline, or around the draft so they con do some other things, could make some sense. But where is the urgency?

no, i dont think moving schenn makes them a playoff team. but to me, he is an overall negative asset for the things you listed.

luke schenn at say right around 2 mil is still a bottom pairing guy, but it is a much easier pill to swallow. when you are a team that is constantly up against the cap like the flyers, the money really matters. yes, guys will be overpaid by a mil here and there. but that has to be on the right players. not a bottom pairing guy who is in and out of the lineup.
- stayinthefnnet

True, but right now, the cap is a minimal issue. If he's waived and not claimed, it doesn't affect the cap enough to make much of a difference.

Unless the Flyers get a deal where they get some value (3rd or 4th) rounder without eating money, or even get somebody to simply make a waiver claim, it doesn't really matter if it happens tonight or January 30th.

That' why I'm not in a rush, unless somebody's offering me a value deal right now. In that case, do it before he gets hurt, or has an accident

I think you're reading too much into the scratch. Del Zotto's been scratched 11 of the last 13. Should the Flyers waive him?
- Jsaquella

Schenn's been scratched how many games this year? I'm not overreacting to the scratch -- the guy's just a bottom pair defenseman who can't skate. On a below-.500 team, the Flyers can do better.

God knows I want Ron Hextall to be the smartest guy in the room, but sometimes there are no cards coming on the flop.

Luke Schenn is a 5/6/7. That's it. Wish he was more, wish he was set-and-forget, but he isn't.

Whenever the Flyers make a move on him is a good time, because his salary, contract slot and roster slot can only be improved, not downgraded, if Hextall is a smart manager.
- AllInForFlyers

The question is can the roster slot be improved now, and if it can't why waive him? Seems like more of a deadline, draft period, off season discussion then a 12/31 discussion.

HA that has to be one of the most terrible and lazy plays of the year from DeAngelo