Hextalls hands are tied. You can give up coots and get a young second pairing type but that is not what they need. Luke schenn has negative trade value and Brayden isn't worth much. He's doing the right thing, which is no panic moves

Just have to Have patience
- Just5

i agree but thats why they need to move couts plus... the deck needsto be shuffled... and for god'saakesget rid of coach punchface

Yeah, though I have to wonder if Giroux is going to miss some games down the stretch. He is taking some vicious hits in recent games, and, once they are fully out of playoff contention, he may be held out of some games with minor injuries.

This team has shown little heart, and after some pieces are likely moved for picks at the deadline, they can and probably will, fall completely apart. I really don't see them picking any later than 8th or 9th and I'm guessing they will end up between 5th and 7th.
- BiggE

It's not enough that they suck.....our goon turned pacifist coach doesn't see the need to protect him....I'm not suggesting Rosehill or Stortini ......but they need some size in the bottom 6.... They are a very easy team to play against....they simply have no answer when their skilled guys....ok .....Giroux and Vorecek.... are being run at.

i agree but thats why they need to move couts plus... the deck needsto be shuffled... and for god'saakesget rid of coach punchface
- JoeRussomanno

As much as I dont think Couturier will be the next Datsyuk or Bergeron I don't understand the logic of moving him just to shuffle the deck.

The team isn't going anywhere this season.
Multiple defensive prospects are incoming as soon as possibly next season.
The core of the team are in their mid 20s in Giroux, Voracek, B, Schenn, Couturier, Simmonds, Laughton.

If the team wasnt willing to move Couturier for a legit number 1 superstar defenseman still in his 20s and still in his prime in Shea Weber then short of the number 1 or 2 overall pick in this draft I dont know what package makes sense for Couturier.

It's not enough that they suck.....our goon turned pacifist coach doesn't see the need to protect him....I'm not suggesting Rosehill or Stortini ......but they need some size in the bottom 6.... They are a very easy team to play against....they simply have no answer when their skilled guys....ok Giroux and Vorecek are being run at.
- landros 2

That's why I was so interested in a guy like Brian Boyle last summer. If it werent for all our poopty contracts that is one signing that actually would have made some sense.

As much as I dont think Couturier will be the next Datsyuk or Bergeron I don't understand the logic of moving him just to shuffle the deck.
- opeth_pa

I'd be trying less to move Couturier, and trying more to add/draft/develop wingers for him. He's still part of the solution, IMO.

I'd be trying less to move Couturier, and trying more to add/draft/develop wingers for him. He's still part of the solution, IMO.
- Tomahawk

Agreed

As much as I dont think Couturier will be the next Datsyuk or Bergeron I don't understand the logic of moving him just to shuffle the deck.

The team isn't going anywhere this season.
Multiple defensive prospects are incoming as soon as possibly next season.
The core of the team are in their mid 20s in Giroux, Voracek, B, Schenn, Couturier, Simmonds, Laughton.

If the team wasnt willing to move Couturier for a legit number 1 superstar defenseman still in his 20s and still in his prime in Shea Weber then short of the number 1 or 2 overall pick in this draft I dont know what package makes sense for Couturier.
- opeth_pa

I'll be honest. I'm starting to not view BSchenn as a core member. Both the Schenns seem like complimentary players for a good team. I mean the fact they moved BSchenn to wing shows that they really don't feel like he's a guy to build around. I don't think he's bad by any means... I just don't see him as a core guy per se.

Even more reason to move Coburn. Even though he has struggled, I still think a contender will part with a late first for him and I would LOVE to have another 1st, even a late on, in this draft!
- BiggE

I'd love to trade Coburn for a first, but it doesn't seem likely anyone would do that. Realistically who could the Flyers move for a top 15 pick? Giroux? Vorachek? Anyone else?

I'd be trying less to move Couturier, and trying more to add/draft/develop wingers for him. He's still part of the solution, IMO.
- Tomahawk

Agreed.
Like I said if they wouldnt move him to get Shea Weber then unless they are getting 1 or 2 in the draft or a legit first line goal scoring winger in his 20s im not moving him.

Tough position for Hexy with the d playing the way they are and the contracts associated with some of those stiffs.....they never have been able to replace Pronger....all though that's a tough go...Timo as a 28 year old ...maybe...as a38 year old ? No.....they seem to reach ie Macdonald and Schenn ....now their stuck.
- landros 2

I think that the guys that are on the roster now, with an exception or two, can be moved for picks. Just not sure that they will be 2015 picks.

They may well need to keep Grossmann, Schenn, Umberger, Lecavalier another year and then move some when there's not much time left on the deal, or after a big bonus is paid or when the duration of a buyout penalty is cut in half.

In the wake of the Pronger injury, Holmgren swung big. He missed Weber and Suter. He also trued to stay competitive and overpaid for average guys.

I'd be trying less to move Couturier, and trying more to add/draft/develop wingers for him. He's still part of the solution, IMO.
- Tomahawk

If they ever move him it has to fill a need....I hope he stays. I hope he plays better. You can't give up on kids unless you have given them every opportunity to succeed....I still think he may turn out to be pretty good.

Agreed.
Like I said if they wouldnt move him to get Shea Weber then unless they are getting 1 or 2 in the draft or a legit first line goal scoring winger in his 20s im not moving him.
- opeth_pa

that was then...this is now.

i agree but thats why they need to move couts plus... the deck needsto be shuffled... and for god'saakesget rid of coach punchface
- JoeRussomanno

They don't need to shuffle the deck, they need to cut out the deadwood.

The problem is, after the deadwood is gone, you need a smart guy to add in the pieces. I have faith that Hextall can be that guy. But we really won't know for sure until, really after the 2016 draft. Up to now, he's been stunted by limited cap room, bad contracts to mediocre players and a system ravaged by Holmgren's willingness to deal away picks.

They have to get more picks. They need to get rid of the bad contracts. They need to avoid bad deals with mediocre players. No more AMacs.

I'd love to trade Coburn for a first, but it doesn't seem likely anyone would do that. Realistically who could the Flyers move for a top 15 pick? Giroux? Vorachek? Anyone else?
- Dkos

I think Coburn could get them a 1st rounder. Won't be a top 15, but he could land them in the mid 20's or so.

I think that the guys that are on the roster now, with an exception or two, can be moved for picks. Just not sure that they will be 2015 picks.

They may well need to keep Grossmann, Schenn, Umberger, Lecavalier another year and then move some when there's not much time left on the deal, or after a big bonus is paid or when the duration of a buyout penalty is cut in half.

In the wake of the Pronger injury, Holmgren swung big. He missed Weber and Suter. He also trued to stay competitive and overpaid for average guys.
- Jsaquella[/quote]

That's the part that pisses me off.

Sorry, I'm pissed and gloomy this morning.

Here's good stuff:

Leading NHL Scorers, last 5 years

- Jsaquella

crosby has 113 less games and 40 less points

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I think Coburn could get them a 1st rounder. Won't be a top 15, but he could land them in the mid 20's or so.
- Jsaquella

Agreed. A team like Anaheim, who will likely be looking for a top 4 guy at the deadline, will happily move what will be a pick tween 26-30 for Coburn

Agreed. A team like Anaheim, who will likely be looking for a top 4 guy at the deadline, will happily move what will be a pick tween 26-30 for Coburn
- BiggE

In making a move like that, you might be consigning yourself to a definite rebuilding year in 2015-16, but I factor in Coburn's ability and potential new contract the same summer that they're likely facing $8-10mm in raises for Couturier, Schenn and Voracek, and it's something to really strongly look at.

crosby has 113 less games and 40 less points

hahahahahaah
Crosby>
- Winning

And?

oh fer (frank)'s sake.

crosby has 113 less games and 40 less points

hahahahahaah
Crosby>
- Winning

Yep. He's out of the line up a lot, because he's a far bigger wussy than Giroux. Your point?

that was then...this is now.
- Dkos

How does moving Couturier to shuffle the deck help the team to a point they become a contender this season?

Does adding a number 1 dman , knowing that Couturier is by far not enough to land a legit number 1 dman, make them a contender?

And?
- opeth_pa

and if he had played those 113 games he'd likely have another 150 points?

and if he had played those 113 games he's likely have another 150 points?
- Dkos

and if Kate Upton knocks on my door I'm done with Hockeybuzz.

Both of those statements have exactly the same end result.

Flyers strengths: Top line, 1st pp unit (usually), starting goalie

Weaknesses: Pretty much everything else!

Go ping pong balls!!
- BiggE

Disagree. The 4th line has been great since Vinny joined it and Laughton's line continues to show a lot of promise but just can't bury anything. The Flyers weakness is PK and defence. Far too many blown coverages game in and game out and the 3rd line. Coots Read and Umberger just not performing well at all. It is extremely pathetic that Umberger has more goals this season than Matt Read.