flyers haven't done anything to stop from missing the playoffs. no trades . berube still sucks. its comical

Disagree. The 4th line has been great since Vinny joined it and Laughton's line continues to show a lot of promise but just can't bury anything. The Flyers weakness is PK and defence. Far too many blown coverages game in and game out and the 3rd line. Coots Read and Umberger just not performing well at all. It is extremely pathetic that Umberger has more goals this season than Matt Read.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The 4th line has been good, but they're also getting a very heavy load of offensive zone starts against weak competition. Couturier's OZ starts have dwindled, but he's still put up a lot of points over his last 15 games or so: 5G, 7A over last 15 games.

Read has been bad, but still has as many ES points as Simmonds.

Does adding a number 1 dman , knowing that Couturier is by far not enough to land a legit number 1 dman, make them a contender?
- opeth_pa

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here?

All I was saying is that maybe Couturier's value, to the Flyers, has gone down this year as compared to last year. If they had a chance to move him for Weber this year...I think they might do it. I'm not sure if adding Weber would make them a contender. Maybe. It would probably make them a playoff team. Do I think a dman of Weber's caliber is more important than a good defensive center? Yes.

Berube's decision making is mind-boggling. Read craps up the ice just about every game this year and his punishment? Moved to the 1st line and knock Raffl down to the 3rd line who plays very well with Jake and G. Del Zotto is no great D-man and he gets scratched for the better part of a month while Coburn continues to be the MVP for the opposing team. Will sitting Coburn for a few games really going to hurt the team more than him actually being on the ice? And while this team has not missed Zac Rinaldo one bit, I would bet that when healthy, he will be back in the line-up. What is sad is that we have a top 5 duo in Jake and G and by the time we can actually be good, they will be heading towards the down-side of their careers. Berube won't fired most likely until after next season which is a downer in itself. Gonna be a long next few years.

Berube's decision making is mind-boggling. Read craps up the ice just about every game this year and his punishment? Moved to the 1st line and knock Raffl down to the 3rd line who plays very well with Jake and G. Del Zotto is no great D-man and he gets scratched for the better part of a month while Coburn continues to be the MVP for the opposing team. Will sitting Coburn for a few games really going to hurt the team more than him actually being on the ice? And while this team has not missed Zac Rinaldo one bit, I would bet that when healthy, he will be back in the line-up. What is sad is that we have a top 5 duo in Jake and G and by the time we can actually be good, they will be heading towards the down-side of their careers. Berube won't fired most likely until after next season which is a downer in itself. Gonna be a long next few years.
- Daveflyers36

I think Berube is done by start of next season. I think Hexy is plenty capable of seeing all the same coaching mistakes we are.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here?

All I was saying is that maybe Couturier's value, to the Flyers, has gone down this year as compared to last year. If they had a chance to move him for Weber this year...I think they might do it. I'm not sure if adding Weber would make them a contender. Maybe. It would probably make them a playoff team. Do I think a dman of Weber's caliber is more important than a good defensive center? Yes.
- Dkos

The problem is you're talking about a number 1 D man. In addition to Coots you're also talking about a lotto pick in a tremendous draft and a high end prospect(Sanheim or Morin) to get it done.

I think Berube is done by start of next season. I think Hexy is plenty capable of seeing all the same coaching mistakes we are.
- hereticpride

I would like to believe that but what is stopping Hexy from giving him another year with the possibility of a different line-up. Hexy's thinking could be that Berube's hands are tied and that this season is not his fault. I agree it is not all Berube's fault but he has made alot of bad choices that have cost the team a few wins.

I would like to believe that but what is stopping Hexy from giving him another year with the possibility of a different line-up. Hexy's thinking could be that Berube's hands are tied and that this season is not his fault. I agree it is not all Berube's fault but he has made alot of bad choices that have cost the team a few wins.
- Daveflyers36

Hexy could also be simply waiting until the spring, because bringing in a new coach is pretty much pointless right now. They're not going to make the playoffs. Berube could utilize the garbage better, but it's really immaterial.

The fact that Berube doesn't have a contract for next season yet is pretty telling, too

The problem is you're talking about a number 1 D man. In addition to Coots you're also talking about a lotto pick in a tremendous draft and a high end prospect(Sanheim or Morin) to get it done.
- hereticpride

ok. i see what you are saying. I was saying that just because the Flyers were unwilling to part with Couturier two years ago they might not be so unwilling now.

Hexy could also be simply waiting until the spring, because bringing in a new coach is pretty much pointless right now. They're not going to make the playoffs. Berube could utilize the garbage better, but it's really immaterial.

The fact that Berube doesn't have a contract for next season yet is pretty telling, too
- Jsaquella

I'm not saying fire Berube now, I agree that would be pointless. I think he should have never been given the job in the first place and didn't think the team was any better last year with him as coach vs Lavi. My question is.... Is Hextall the the type of GM that will buck the "ole boys club" and bring in a different philosophy or will Berube be brought back next year and hope to be able to alter just the line-up. Myself, I think both a new philosophy and some changes in the line-up need to be done. Even if the changes in the line-up take time, it needs to be done. As for Berube, I think he will fall into the category of the other coaches the Flyers employed that never became a head coach again. (Barber,Cashman, and Ramsey) Except Ramsey had that one year in Atlanta before the move.

Watching Hanifin yesterday I'd be ecstatic if they took him.

Hanifin Sanheim
Ghost Morin
Hagg

In about 4-5 yrs a defense to envy.
Maybe at that point you trade one of Giroux or Jake for a return like they got in the Carter Richards deals to get 2 younger forwards back and even up the ages of the forward and defense core. Pure speculation but that's about all that is left this season.

I'm not saying fire Berube now, I agree that would be pointless. I think he should have never been given the job in the first place and didn't think the team was any better last year with him as coach vs Lavi. My question is.... Is Hextall the the type of GM that will buck the "ole boys club" and bring in a different philosophy or will Berube be brought back next year and hope to be able to alter just the line-up. Myself, I think both a new philosophy and some changes in the line-up need to be done. Even if the changes in the line-up take time, it needs to be done. As for Berube, I think he will fall into the category of the other coaches the Flyers employed that never became a head coach again. (Barber,Cashman, and Ramsey) Except Ramsey had that one year in Atlanta before the move.
- Daveflyers36

I agree on the hiring of Berube. I had an open mind on him, but he wouldn't have been my choice. I would have fired Laviolette during the previous season and gone in another direction at that point.

I think Hextall is a different guy in some ways and similar in others. He's still going to ice a tough team and likes big defensemen. LA had three big, stay at home guys and I expect Hextall will have at least one.

Looking at the 2014 draft class, the Flyers drafted all skill guys. There were no Garrett Klotzes, no Zac Rinaldos, no Derek Matherses, no Tyrell Goulbournes. Hextall went with no enforcer and seems to want to limit the low skilled guys on his roster. In fact, Goulbourne wasn't even offered a NHL contract, after being a third round pick.

We, as fans, will need to use the next two drafts, TDLs and summer to really get a read on Hextall. What he does at the TDL, draft and free agency this year will be telling. What he does during next year's TDL will be even more telling.

He's had missteps, but overall I still have faith he can bring needed change.

When you know the PK is atrocious, why in hell would Coburn commit such a stupid penalty right in front of the ref? You never want to pin point a loss on one guy, but cmon' that game was right there for the Flyers' taking
- Pelle31Forever

Agreed. Next time, he'll probably not intentionally take a penalty.

Off-topic, but I really can't stand Max Domi. I know he's a kid, and in the end, it's just a game, but I really kinda hope he gets his jaw shattered and loses all of his teeth by someone pummeling him. Too much like his dad.

Berube's decision making is mind-boggling. Read craps up the ice just about every game this year and his punishment? Moved to the 1st line and knock Raffl down to the 3rd line who plays very well with Jake and G. Del Zotto is no great D-man and he gets scratched for the better part of a month while Coburn continues to be the MVP for the opposing team. Will sitting Coburn for a few games really going to hurt the team more than him actually being on the ice? And while this team has not missed Zac Rinaldo one bit, I would bet that when healthy, he will be back in the line-up. What is sad is that we have a top 5 duo in Jake and G and by the time we can actually be good, they will be heading towards the down-side of their careers. Berube won't fired most likely until after next season which is a downer in itself. Gonna be a long next few years.
- Daveflyers36

Do you think there is a possibility that Berube's thinking was to put Read, who is struggling offensively with only 3 goals on the season with Giroux and Voracek, in the hopes of kick starting him offensively? And if so, how is that decision mind boggling? What would better serve the team, making a move to "punish" Read, or try to get him playing better offensively? Any one of us on this board could punish a player. That's easy. I think Berube is simply trying something to get Read going. I don't see anything mind boggling about that.

Off-topic, but I really can't stand Max Domi. I know he's a kid, and in the end, it's just a game, but I really kinda hope he gets his jaw shattered and loses all of his teeth by someone pummeling him. Too much like his dad.
- jmatchett383

He's definitely got the assclown factor going for him.

Off-topic, but I really can't stand Max Domi. I know he's a kid, and in the end, it's just a game, but I really kinda hope he gets his jaw shattered and loses all of his teeth by someone pummeling him. Too much like his dad.
- jmatchett383

I'm right there with you on the can't stand him part.

Glad Giroux proved last night that he's lost his dynamic ability and is only piggybacking on Voracek to put up points. Maybe one day his skill will return...maybe.

Glad Giroux proved last night that he's lost his dynamic ability and is only piggybacking on Voracek to put up points. Maybe one day his skill will return...maybe.
- jmatchett383

He's awful. He's just lucky that the 4 Avalanche players felt bad for him and blew coverage on his goal

He's awful. He's just lucky that the 4 Avalanche players felt bad for him and blew coverage on his goal
- Jsaquella

Absolutely. Those pity go-ahead goals aren't even worth scoring.

Absolutely. Those pity go-ahead goals aren't even worth scoring.
- jmatchett383

Can't do anything but hope somebody will trade us a 3 rounder for that fraud, before the whole league figures it out.

Do you think there is a possibility that Berube's thinking was to put Read, who is struggling offensively with only 3 goals on the season with Giroux and Voracek, in the hopes of kick starting him offensively? And if so, how is that decision mind boggling? What would better serve the team, making a move to "punish" Read, or try to get him playing better offensively? Any one of us on this board could punish a player. That's easy. I think Berube is simply trying something to get Read going. I don't see anything mind boggling about that.
- MJL

I get it if Read was playing decent and just not scoring but Read's entire game has been horrible. Putting him with Jake and G isn't and wasn't going to fix that. For whatever reason, Matt Read is nothing like the player we have had the past few seasons. They have tried Schenn, Vinnie, and others on that line with very little success. There is no reason to think that putting Read there would help. Berube has no problem sitting other players for poor play. Why are players like Read and Coburn exempt from that? Neither of them have earned special treatment. Both Read and Coburn have hurt this team far more than they have helped. If players are to be benched for poor performances then these 2 are next in line. Not promoted to the 1st line.

Off-topic, but I really can't stand Max Domi. I know he's a kid, and in the end, it's just a game, but I really kinda hope he gets his jaw shattered and loses all of his teeth by someone pummeling him. Too much like his dad.
- jmatchett383

this seems a bit harsh, even for pumpkin head

He's definitely got the assclown factor going for him.
- Jsaquella

Like father...

Glad Giroux proved last night that he's lost his dynamic ability and is only piggybacking on Voracek to put up points. Maybe one day his skill will return...maybe.
- jmatchett383

this one I love!