You're right, the Flyers could wind up with a very good player with a 3rd round selection. The odds are overwhelmingly against that. That has to be part of the equation when deciding what to do with Schultz.
- MJL

It is but for me, Schultz doesn't add enough to warrant not taking the risk of a 3rd round pick. He's overachieving right now so he will most likely regress at some point. A 3rd pairing/7th dman for a year or two on a team that is essentially biding their time until they can actually make a run is a cheap price, IMO.

It's not like Schultz is the only veteran, 3rd pairing dman available this offseason either. He's pretty easily replaceable. The team also has a number of veteran, 3rd pairing dmen already.
- PhillySportsGuy

Look at some of the other bargain signings the Flyers have made for depth defenseman in the past. Lilja, Gervais, Kurtis Foster. Schultz is clearly a cut above them. The idea that similar players are readily available and easily replaceable for the same value and cost, is false is my opinion.

I really hope they sign Schultz to a two year deal just to see the reactions here
- BulliesPhan87

Where is L. Schenn? Is he 7th? So Holmgren gave up JVR, a few draft picks and overpaid MacDonald and they are 6th and 7th on the depth chart for a team that has nothing resembling a top pairing guy??

Holy (frank). It would be hard for a bum on the street corner to turn things into a worse cluster(frank).
- PLindbergh31

Homer's mistakes are showing their ugly heads

He's been solid. With the way he's played and the way teams overpay for defenseman at the deadline, I can see him fetching a 2nd or 3rd.
- PhillySportsGuy

yeah. so could i.

and honestly, with the way he is playing, his next deal likely wont be for peanuts either. no, not of the 5 mil variety, but more than chump change.

and at that point, his value as an asset drops anyway.

if youre really fighting for a spot, then i guess it makes sense to keep him. but if someone did come along and offer you a second, that would be mighty, mighty tough to turn down.

It is but for me, Schultz doesn't add enough to warrant not taking the risk of a 3rd round pick. He's overachieving right now so he will most likely regress at some point. A 3rd pairing/7th dman for a year or two on a team that is essentially biding their time until they can actually make a run is a cheap price, IMO.
- NickTheKid87

I don't think he's overaceheiving. I think he is what he is. A solid serviceable veteran 3rd pair defenseman. Also doesn't consider all the factors involved.

If the Oilers can get a late 1st and a prospect for Perron, I have no doubt that the Flyers can get as much or more for Coburn

just sayin
- BiggE

Coburn under contract for next season means they're getting a first if they want to move him.

Don't know why they feel the need to extend Schultz right now, but at the same time, I'd sure as hell hope that two of Schenn/Grossmann/Coburn/MacDonald get moved along for picks and cap space, which makes it fine

Look at some of the other bargain signings the Flyers have made for depth defenseman in the past. Lilja, Gervais, Kurtis Foster. Schultz is clearly a cut above them. The idea that similar players are readily available and easily replaceable for the same value and cost, is false is my opinion.
- MJL

totally agree in a sense.

i expected schultz to be in the vein of the guys you listed. and he has definitely been a cut above. but for that reason, he might price himself out of that comparable range anyway.

There are plenty of examples of all 30 teams taking stars and solid NHLers in the 3rd round and plenty more of guys that turn into nothing but I will gladly take my chances in the 3rd round if the price is only a year or two of Nick Schultz.
- NickTheKid87

Same. They have great amateur scouts... let those boys have more cracks at it.

I really hope they sign Schultz to a two year deal just to see the reactions here
- BulliesPhan87

I doubt anyone would care, if it's for around $1.75 or so -- somebody's gotta play defense

yeah. so could i.

and honestly, with the way he is playing, his next deal likely wont be for peanuts either. no, not of the 5 mil variety, but more than chump change.

and at that point, his value as an asset drops anyway.

if youre really fighting for a spot, then i guess it makes sense to keep him. but if someone did come along and offer you a second, that would be mighty, mighty tough to turn down.
- stayinthefnnet

They have Grossmann, Streit, Coburn, AMac, Schenn and MDZ (assuming he's qualified) all signed next season. If they really want to give one or more of the young guys a chance, they'll need to move at least 1 or 2 of these guys and let Schultz go.

Coburn under contract for next season means they're getting a first if they want to move him.

Don't know why they feel the need to extend Schultz right now, but at the same time, I'd sure as hell hope that two of Schenn/Grossmann/Coburn/MacDonald get moved along for picks and cap space, which makes it fine
- AllInForFlyers

They have Grossmann, Streit, Coburn, AMac, Schenn and MDZ (assuming he's qualified) all signed next season. If they really want to give one or more of the young guys a chance, they'll need to move at least 1 or 2 of these guys and let Schultz go.
- PhillySportsGuy

yeah. and if you have no intentions of resigning him, if that second you mentioned came along, thats good asset management.

I doubt anyone would care, if it's for around $1.75 or so -- somebody's gotta play defense
- AllInForFlyers

that would be perfect, the internet would literally burn down

that would be perfect, the internet would literally burn down
- BulliesPhan87

Man, I'm as intense as anybody, but if Nick Schultz signs a two-year, $1.75 per contract, I'm shrugging and not giving a (frank)

totally agree in a sense.

i expected schultz to be in the vein of the guys you listed. and he has definitely been a cut above. but for that reason, he might price himself out of that comparable range anyway.
- stayinthefnnet

If his asking price and contract demands are too high, adios.

Man, I'm as intense as anybody, but if Nick Schultz signs a two-year, $1.75 per contract, I'm shrugging and not giving a (frank)
- AllInForFlyers

I'd be very happy with it.

Man, I'm as intense as anybody, but if Nick Schultz signs a two-year, $1.75 per contract, I'm shrugging and not giving a (frank)
- AllInForFlyers

Yup. If anything I'm happy because it almost certainly means that they're moving another D man.

They have Grossmann, Streit, Coburn, AMac, Schenn and MDZ (assuming he's qualified) all signed next season. If they really want to give one or more of the young guys a chance, they'll need to move at least 1 or 2 of these guys and let Schultz go.
- PhillySportsGuy

That's the thing, with Morin a year older and 2 years removed from his draft year, he should be at least ready to play some sheltered minutes at the NHL level. Ghost too and possibly Hagg. Sanheim may even be ready. These guys can't be blocked by a guy like Schultz or Grossmann. At some point, too much seasoning in the minors could be detrimental to the young dmen's development.

Yup. If anything I'm happy because it almost certainly means that they're moving another D man.
- hereticpride

That's where I am; hell, even if they don't, he's not blocking anyone. You can scratch him as the No. 7, or move him at any time.

He's just not going to make enough to matter, one way or the other

yeah. and if you have no intentions of resigning him, if that second you mentioned came along, thats good asset management.
- stayinthefnnet

Imo, there is no way this team can make the necessary adjustments this offseason to become a contender next year. Why would they keep Nick Schultz when he can be traded for an asset that could help the future?

Even if they have a firesale of defenseman and end up replacing them with average players on 1 year deals, they're still better off long term because they got the assets and cleared the cap space.

Imo, there is no way this team can make the necessary adjustments this offseason to become a contender next year. Why would they keep Nick Schultz when he can be traded for an asset that could help the future?

Even if they have a firesale of defenseman and end up replacing them with average players on 1 year deals, they're still better off long term because they got the assets and cleared the cap space.
- PhillySportsGuy

keeping Schultz fits the plan in the latter portion of your post

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- PhillySportsGuy

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Imo, there is no way this team can make the necessary adjustments this offseason to become a contender next year. Why would they keep Nick Schultz when he can be traded for an asset that could help the future?

Even if they have a firesale of defenseman and end up replacing them with average players on 1 year deals, they're still better off long term because they got the assets and cleared the cap space.
- PhillySportsGuy

It's not mutually exclusive, though -- at some point, you do have to have guys on the NHL roster who can actually play a role, preferably have some experience.

It's entirely possible that Schenn and Coburn are gone next season, as well as Del Zotto and Colicacovo. That is entirely possible.

That's four guys out of the eight you are currently carrying. There aren't even four prospects in the Flyers system who are remotely ready to handle that kind of load.

Somebody's gotta play defense next year. Schultz, out of all the guys I listed, is likely going to cost the least and, arguably, do the least harm at the price point he will have