tell that to the pens who just moved their #1.
- nastyflyergirl

I was suprised Perron got a first. It gives me hope if they move guys that prices might be a little inflated.

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- JoeRussomanno

Just fantastic that we've played terrible and of course G and Laughton (who I think has played fantastic since recall) go down. Maybe White can play with Jake and Raffl..

I was suprised Perron got a first. It gives me hope if they move guys that prices might be a little inflated.
- J35Bacher

Me too. They get a first from what is supposed to be a deep draft?? I thought it was an overpay but they need to win now I suppose.

Absolutely. If there is an offer to get picks in the first 3 rounds of this draft and you feel like you have a surplus of a certain type of player (especially for more stay-at-home style defenders) then I'd listen. I'm just stating that I don't think the Douglas Murray return is par for the course.
- jmatchett383

I guarantee that there will be a playoff team looking for stay at home dman that will happily give up a 2nd for Nick Grossmann and a 4th. They'd be foolish not to make that deal. Likewise, there is also no doubt in my mind that a top contender like Anaheim would just as happily move their 1st for a guy like Coburn.

Make those moves, then go ahead and re-sign Schultz. That would still give them 4 vets signed for next year, 5 if they re-sign MDZ.

I was suprised Perron got a first. It gives me hope if they move guys that prices might be a little inflated.
- J35Bacher

Given the combination of the Pens injury woes and his low salary, I'm not.

Given the combination of the Pens injury woes and his low salary, I'm not.
- Jsaquella

Don't forget how bad a gm Rutherford is too.

Flyers need to wait it out til the deadline. Teams will overpay for d it happens every year
- Just5

Exactly

They laugh then hang up since you included Trouba.



Kimmo played less than half of the time the Flyers were short handed last season. And the PK did not collapse when he was off the ice. So why has it totally fallen apart this season? Because the coaches have changed it to be more aggressive and the result has been constant open lanes for cross ice passes and players getting hopelessly out of position. But the coaches are too dumb or too stubborn to go back to what worked just a year ago.

There is a lot more wrong with the Flyers team than the roster. Two former players were hired as coaches and they have shown themselves to be completely out of their depth at this level.
- Feanor

I don't see a system or strategy change behind the issues on the PK. In fact I think the issue is they aren't being aggressive enough. Passive on the puck at times, failed clears, coverage breakdowns, etc. The Flyers are using the same PK system and strategy killing off penalties at home at over 83% which is real close to the overall PK% they had for the entire season in 13/14. The problem is the road PK which is at 68%. Why the discrepancy if it is a coaching issue, and strategy issue that the coaches are unwilling to change? Why not the same issues at home as on the road?

Given the combination of the Pens injury woes and his low salary, I'm not.
- Jsaquella

I think a 2nd could have gotten him. I know he has played ok but a 1st seems a lot compared to a lot of packages mentioned.

With his salary and term, i definitely wouldn't bet he would
- AllInForFlyers

term? he is a UFA after next season.

Don't forget how bad a gm Rutherford is too.
- hereticpride

That, too

term? he is a UFA after next season.
- nastyflyergirl

Still under their control next season. if he comes in and is a 40 goal scorer with Crosby they can have time to talk turkey. If he sucks, they only have to worry about him for a year

Injury disclosure in the NFL is all about gambling.
- johndewar

I say more people need to start betting on hockey games.

I think a 2nd could have gotten him. I know he has played ok but a 1st seems a lot compared to a lot of packages mentioned.
- J35Bacher

It's possible, but Elliotte Friedman, among others, has quoted unnamed GM's as saying Edmonton really overvalues their own guys. It's real possible that the only reason he moved at all was the injury issues forced Rutherford to agree to MacTavish's demands

I guarantee that there will be a playoff team looking for stay at home dman that will happily give up a 2nd for Nick Grossmann and a 4th. They'd be foolish not to make that deal. Likewise, there is also no doubt in my mind that a top contender like Anaheim would just as happily move their 1st for a guy like Coburn.

Make those moves, then go ahead and re-sign Schultz. That would still give them 4 vets signed for next year, 5 if they re-sign MDZ.
- BiggE

What limits the market and the return for a player like Grossmann is that he is signed for next year. Teams looking to make a playoff run are more likely to look at players on expiring deals that are comparable.

What limits the market and the return for a player like Grossmann is that he is signed for next year. Teams looking to make a playoff run are more likely to look at players on expiring deals that are comparable.
- MJL

This.

Still under their control next season. if he comes in and is a 40 goal scorer with Crosby they can have time to talk turkey. If he sucks, they only have to worry about him for a year
- Jsaquella

I thought he was talking about no one taking Luke Schenn if on waivers cause of his contract term.

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I thought he was talking about no one taking Luke Schenn if on waivers cause of his contract term.
- nastyflyergirl

Oh, my bad. I must have misread.

term? he is a UFA after next season.
- nastyflyergirl

I want to think otherwise, but I don't think a GM touches Schenn for $3.6 million. You can get his production for less.

I wish that wasn't true, but I fear it is

It's possible, but Elliotte Friedman, among others, has quoted unnamed GM's as saying Edmonton really overvalues their own guys. It's real possible that the only reason he moved at all was the injury issues forced Rutherford to agree to MacTavish's demands
- Jsaquella

Probably. Kind of what I hope happens at the deadline and the Flyers can make a nice deal. If Anaheim would really need a top 4 d and wanted Coburn you can try and get that 1st rounder and maybe a player like Maroon or Rackell? Pens gave up 1st and Klickhammer.

Wow, capgeek is done! That sucks, I hope the founder is okay, as he has cited health reasons. I really hope somebody else picks up the slack. Really in the dark now.

This.
- Tomahawk

If he had 2 or 3 years left at 4 million plus, sure. One year though at 3.5 I don't see as a major impediment to a trade.

This.
- Tomahawk

Yeah -- that's my fear about Schenn. Teams might take your players who are limited, but not for the extra term

Won't surprise me if Coburn and Schultz go, for that reason, maybe MDZ if some other coach thinks they saw enough when he was playing well

There is where I don't buy in. A fire sale of all the Flyers defenseman isn't the way to go. The problem isn't that the Flyers defenseman aren't good players. it's that they lack a legitimate top pair. If, and it's a big if, the Flyers had a legitimate #1 defenseman, the rest of the defense slotted correctly, the Flyers would have a solid defense. it's the mix of players, rather then the players as individuals that are the issue. As an example, Coburn as complimentary partner to a #1 is a strong player. As the lead defenseman on the team, not so strong. Grossmann as a top 4 2nd pair defenseman is just adequate at best due to his puck skill limitations. As a 3rd pair physical defensive defenseman, while overpaid for that role, is a solid player.
If they can get returns that make sense for a player, then go ahead and get it done. They shouldn't be trading any of the defenseman because the Flyers are forced to use them incorrectly in the wrong roles.
- MJL

No one is saying trade all of them, but rather make all of them available. I would trade 2 out of 8 at the deadline. If i could get edmontons first for coburn i would do it.