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NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jan 5 @ 11:17 AM ET
given how tough it's been to stock the blueline with top 4 defensemen, I don't think I'd move both just for first round picks, unless they were home runs (top 10?). How far into the future should we be looking, exactly?
- BulliesPhan87


3-4 years, IMO. They could also package the 1sts for a roster player. They wouldn't necessarily have to use them.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jan 5 @ 11:17 AM ET
I've got no problem with Giroux sitting out as long as it needs for the cut to be fully healed. This team isn't going anywhere.
- Feanor

this this this this
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 5 @ 11:17 AM ET
I've got no problem with Giroux sitting out as long as it needs for the cut to be fully healed. This team isn't going anywhere.
- Feanor


Yeah, there's really no point in rushing Giroux. The Eagles have as good a chance at making the NHL playoffs as the Flyers.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Jan 5 @ 11:17 AM ET
Giroux is not on ice, Rinaldo is skating with Brayden Schenn and Jake Voracek.

Some guys commit a dumb penalty and get benched for a month. Others do the same and get promoted to the top line. Berube'd.

- Jsaquella



i'm so over it
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jan 5 @ 11:17 AM ET
I've got no problem with Giroux sitting out as long as it needs for the cut to be fully healed. This team isn't going anywhere.
- Feanor


That's where I am with it
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jan 5 @ 11:18 AM ET
Bogo's deal is too long and expensive for a guy that's on IR more than Colaiacovo.
- tangent_man



He makes less then MacDonald and is younger. He is only 24. I understand you might not like the risk but I think it would be a deal that could give you that top pair guy.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 5 @ 11:18 AM ET
Giroux is not on ice, Rinaldo is skating with Brayden Schenn and Jake Voracek.

Some guys commit a dumb penalty and get benched for a month. Others do the same and get promoted to the top line. Berube'd.

- Jsaquella


Boobied!

This season has become a farce.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jan 5 @ 11:19 AM ET
i'm so over it
- -davies-


Berube's got to have Zherdev's limo driver on call.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jan 5 @ 11:20 AM ET
Giroux is not on ice, Rinaldo is skating with Brayden Schenn and Jake Voracek.

Some guys commit a dumb penalty and get benched for a month. Others do the same and get promoted to the top line. Berube'd.

- Jsaquella


I wonder if jake still thinks he's the best coach he's ever had?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 5 @ 11:20 AM ET
I would bruing up the Seguin deal. Boston got Riley Smith, Prospect Joe Morrow and Loui Erikson.

I guess what I am trying to say by using Simmonds as example is unless your moving the two stars or your young core their really isn't much that brings back great value. Simmonds could fetch a nice return to help bring in solid value.

- J35Bacher


Yes, but that wasn't 1 player. Seguin was the centerpiece, but Peverly and Ryan Button (throw-in) both went along as well. In the Recchi/Neal deals, it was just 1 roster player.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jan 5 @ 11:20 AM ET
given how tough it's been to stock the blueline with top 4 defensemen, I don't think I'd move both just for first round picks, unless they were home runs (top 10?). How far into the future should we be looking, exactly?
- BulliesPhan87


I might do it simply because the value is too good to pass up. 3 first round picks in a loaded draft.

I think the Flyers should look to next year as a total rebuild. If they commit to that, I think things will fall into place a little easier. The worst thing this team can do is say they need to make the playoffs next year
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 5 @ 11:21 AM ET
He makes less then MacDonald and is younger. He is only 24. I understand you might not like the risk but I think it would be a deal that could give you that top pair guy.
- J35Bacher


What would you give up for him, though? Chevy's gonna at least want assets that equal up to a 2012 JvR level of value.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 5 @ 11:21 AM ET
Boobied!

This season has become a farce.

- PLindbergh31


It's just nonsense at this point. If Giroux's not fully healed, there's zero sense in rushing him back. Let him fully heal, and return when ready. Even with him, they're not winning at a .750 clip over the next 43 games.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 5 @ 11:22 AM ET
He makes less then MacDonald and is younger. He is only 24. I understand you might not like the risk but I think it would be a deal that could give you that top pair guy.
- J35Bacher


I'd take Bogo if it was just the cap hit. But when you looks at his declining production year-by-year (exception of 11/12), along with a guy who's injured as often as not, I'd be wary of trading any of our young "core" players for him.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 5 @ 11:22 AM ET
I've got no problem with Giroux sitting out as long as it needs for the cut to be fully healed. This team isn't going anywhere.
- Feanor


I agree. But what was the point in saying he was probable for Saturday nights game?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 5 @ 11:22 AM ET
I wonder if jake still thinks he's the best coach he's ever had?
- Just5


I don't think Jake's gonna tell us one way or another at this point
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jan 5 @ 11:23 AM ET
I might do it simply because the value is too good to pass up. 3 first round picks in a loaded draft.

I think the Flyers should look to next year as a total rebuild. If they commit to that, I think things will fall into place a little easier. The worst thing this team can do is say they need to make the playoffs next year

- PhillySportsGuy


Woof -- man. I understand what you just typed, but it is gonna be hard for Ed Snider to swallow that
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jan 5 @ 11:23 AM ET
I might do it simply because the value is too good to pass up. 3 first round picks in a loaded draft.

I think the Flyers should look to next year as a total rebuild. If they commit to that, I think things will fall into place a little easier. The worst thing this team can do is say they need to make the playoffs next year

- PhillySportsGuy

I feel bad for Clode and Jake, having to sit through this while they're playing so well.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 5 @ 11:24 AM ET
I feel bad for Clode and Jake, having to sit through this while they're playing so well.
- BulliesPhan87


Silver lining: they could be on Edmonton.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jan 5 @ 11:24 AM ET

- Tomahawk



I know Pierre called him a franchise guy but he was compared to Adam Foote who wasn't. Maybe he was supposed to be a top pair guy who can play physical and shutdown but not in same category of a Top pairing.

You don't have to agree with me. I am fine with that. I just know my plan of action.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jan 5 @ 11:24 AM ET

- Tomahawk



I know Pierre called him a franchise guy but he was compared to Adam Foote who wasn't. Maybe he was supposed to be a top pair guy who can play physical and shutdown but not in same category of a Top pairing.

You don't have to agree with me. I am fine with that. I just know my plan of action.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jan 5 @ 11:24 AM ET
I agree. But what was the point in saying he was probable for Saturday nights game?
- PLindbergh31

because it seemed like he might be able to play?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jan 5 @ 11:24 AM ET
Rinaldo on the top line?

If you're still defending Berube may God have mercy on your sad, sad soul.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jan 5 @ 11:25 AM ET
Woof -- man. I understand what you just typed, but it is gonna be hard for Ed Snider to swallow that
- AllInForFlyers


Sneak the pill into some deli meat. He won't even notice
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 5 @ 11:25 AM ET
It's just nonsense at this point. If Giroux's not fully healed, there's zero sense in rushing him back. Let him fully heal, and return when ready. Even with him, they're not winning at a .750 clip over the next 43 games.
- Jsaquella


I agree 100%. I don't get why the hell the would be so quick to put out a statement he's probable to play the next night? It makes them look stupid.

Is it really hard to say Giroux has an injury and will be re-evaluated. His playing status will be updated once his injury has been diagnosed.
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