He said two potential greats. It was a joke.

Kind of like the article that said "the three worst quarterbacks to win a Super Bowl: 1. Trent Dilfer 2. Eli Manning 3. Eli Manning".
- buffalofan19

Gotcha, I just thought you were pointing out his duplication of Quick being an error. My bad.

I get that but I think he like Grigo is much more comfortable in the middle.

It was night and day from last year at the WJC Reinhart playing wing, to this year playing center on the top line. Granted he was a year older, but I think he's a natural playmaking 2-way center.

Let's face it, Girgensons is awesome, but he is also playing with hands down the 2 other best forwards on the team, and he's on pace for about 45-50 points max. His offense has a ceiling similar to a Dustin Brown/Ryan Callahan.

Can he play wing on a top line? Sure, center....Not so sure
- sbroads24

True but he's still pretty young (turned 21 yesterday).

The Reinhart thing being on the wing was assuming we got McEichel which means Girgs would be 2nd line ceter, which he will be more than capable of, especially since he will have better or equal player on his line. (I still see him on the wing though)

I don't think Thomas played long enough to be considered great.
- buffalofan19

miller or thomas?


(waits)

I don't think Thomas played long enough to be considered great.
- buffalofan19

While I agree he did win two Vezina's. While much of that could attributed to the strong play down the middle and a pretty good top 4.

Let's face it, Girgensons is awesome, but he is also playing with hands down the 2 other best forwards on the team, and he's on pace for about 45-50 points max. His offense has a ceiling similar to a Dustin Brown/Ryan Callahan.

Can he play wing on a top line? Sure, center....Not so sure
- sbroads24

I think he is the next Toews. How many other players had this much success at such a young age? By "success" I mean playing a ridiculous two-way game at age 20 on a top line.

While I agree he did win two Vezina's. While much of that could attributed to the strong play down the middle and a pretty good top 4.
- dadeadhead

I think he is the perfect example of a very good goalie that gets hot in the playoffs.

miller or thomas?


(waits)
- homiedclown

Neither.

I don't think Thomas played long enough to be considered great.
- buffalofan19

Right now Quick is the greatest, but they all are very good goalie. I can give credit where it's due. The only dark horse is Osgood due to the fact that he played for a great team but every time he was under pressure, he came out with a great performance. He is a true winner and should be considered a very good goalie.

I think he is the perfect example of a very good goalie that gets hot in the playoffs.
- Slump Buster

That list of the last ten cup winning goalies is full of this statement.

I'd argue the only great one is Quick and that might be a stretch do to he's still young and is prone to back problems.

True but he's still pretty young (turned 21 yesterday).

The Reinhart thing being on the wing was assuming we got McEichel which means Girgs would be 2nd line ceter, which he will be more than capable of, especially since he will have better or equal player on his line.
- Herzeleid

ennis-mceichel-moulson
foligno-reinhart-armia
lemieux-girgens-gionta
coho-gringo-flynn


roll 4 lines 12 minutes a game 5 on 5 and run a high temp offense that frustrates the other teams

I think he is the next Toews. How many other players had this much success at such a young age? By "success" I mean playing a ridiculous two-way game at age 20 on a top line.
- Slump Buster

There are some.

I personally see a ceiling to his offense, he has an average at best shot, and average to above average hands.

He is a dynamite player, and excellent around the net and in his own end. I just don't see a 70 point player yet

Right now Quick is the greatest, but they all are very good goalie. I can give credit where it's due. The only dark horse is Osgood due to the fact that he played for a great team but every time he was under pressure, he came out with a great performance. He is a true winner and should be considered a very good goalie.
- Habsody

While I agree, I do believe longevity is a requirement to really be considered great.

I don't see Girgensons going back to the wing.

The draft goes as planned, they roll 4 lines with Girgensons playing 3rd line center or Reinhart plays one of the wings on the top line and Girgensons stays on the 2nd line.


Right now it's just the waiting game but I don't see Grigorenko here past next season.
- dadeadhead

We have been craving two top Centers since Roy and Connolly............ We finally have one in Reinhart, why move him to wing?

There are some.

I personally see a ceiling to his offense, he has an average at best shot, and average to above average hands.

He is a dynamite player, and excellent around the net and in his own end. I just don't see a 70 point player yet
- sbroads24

If this team gets to a 2006-2007 scoring level, he might reach that point once or twice. Whether or not he can get there consistently is the question.

Right now Quick is the greatest, but they all are very good goalie. I can give credit where it's due. The only dark horse is Osgood due to the fact that he played for a great team but every time he was under pressure, he came out with a great performance. He is a true winner and should be considered a very good goalie.
- Habsody

Very good isn't great and that's the point.

You need great goaltending to win a cup not a great goalie.

If this team gets to a 2006-2007 scoring level, he might reach that point once or twice. Whether or not he can get there consistently is the question.
- buffalofan19

Is that possible in todays NHL?

Neither.
- buffalofan19

thomas 4th all time save%
44th all time GAA
2.08 gaa in playoffs .933 save%
4 time all star
2 time vezina
conn smythe
cup

While I agree, I do believe longevity is a requirement to really be considered great.
- buffalofan19

I was pointing out that as of today, Quick is the best of the bunch; future will tell us if it will remain that way because a knee or ankle injury can end up your career way sooner than you think.

thomas 4th all time save%
44th all time GAA
2.08 gaa in playoffs .933 save%
4 time all star
2 time vezina
conn smythe
cup
- homiedclown

Do I get the team in front of him too?

Is that possible in todays NHL?
- sbroads24

Possible, yes. Likely, no.

Do I get the team in front of him too?
- buffalofan19

Look at Rask's suddenly "average" numbers now that Boston isn't a top 3 team

thomas 4th all time save%
44th all time GAA
2.08 gaa in playoffs .933 save%
4 time all star
2 time vezina
conn smythe
cup
- homiedclown

lets face it you and I both know the high scoring 80's messed with that all time list big time.

There were years where the leader in sv% was in the high .89's to low .90's

Very good isn't great and that's the point.

You need great goaltending to win a cup not a great goalie.
- dadeadhead

I do believe that all along my point was that you need a very good goalie to win and that a good D core doesn't make up for an average goalie. I also don't buy the idea that an average goalie can win a cup if he is hot entering the playoffs. Serious question: when was the last time an hot average goalie won the cup?

Look at Rask's suddenly "average" numbers now that Boston isn't a top 3 team
- sbroads24

The Bruins couldn't score a goal to save themselves and are mightily struggling to clear their own end. The Boychuck trade is bitting them more and more as the season goes and Chara's decline is started.

I was pointing out that as of today, Quick is the best of the bunch; future will tell us if it will remain that way because a knee or ankle injury can end up your career way sooner than you think.
- Habsody

Agreed.

How great he stays/becomes depends on health.