What do you mean by has the talent? As in like the talent of a top 5 pick?
- JAKEw1234

No, but top 10 to 15 yes

Craig's List - McDavid, Eichel still neck and neck

http://www.tsn.ca/craig-s...ll-neck-and-neck-1.177115
- ob18

I like this list better than the ISS List

No, but top 10 to 15 yes
- ob18

Huh, would've thought a broken kneecap would've dropped him further in Button's standings then.

Huh, would've thought a broken kneecap would've dropped him further in Button's standings then.
- JAKEw1234

Not sure, I know after asking him, he does his based on how he evaluates them & how he projects them as a pro. Which would be why you see Marner, Strome, & Rantanen as high as you do compared to some other lists.

For me I can't say because I haven't watched him this year & only did a small amount last year.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...aunch-hockey-centric-mba/

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/burke-nhl-agent-launch-hockey-centric-mba/
- wilsonecho91

it's never too late.

Craig's List - McDavid, Eichel still neck and neck

http://www.tsn.ca/craig-s...ll-neck-and-neck-1.177115
- ob18

Man, seems like Button loves Marner even more than I do!

Man, seems like Button loves Marner even more than I do!
- Tomahawk

you're so giddy about this draft.

it's never too late.
- hammarby31

I'm not getting any degree from King Achashveros University in Medicine Hat

I'm not getting any degree from King Achashveros University in Medicine Hat
- wilsonecho91

you're so giddy about this draft.
- hammarby31

id be giddy if the pens could ever actually beat the broons.

Prior to yesterday's game, Wayne Simmonds was asked about his recent goal slump (one in nine games). He could have made excuses like "hot goalies" etc but said he didn't think he was getting to the scoring areas efficiently enough of late -- a very honest and self-effacing answer -- and so he was getting checked or goalies were getting over whereas in his hot run before that, he was getting to the scoring areas a little better.

I mentioned that on Twitter and some well-meaning poster said something like, "That's wrong... his Shooting Heat chart proves otherwise. He's just run into an abnormally high goalie save percentage."

That's were the analytics crowd doesn't do itself any favors sometimes. When in doubt, I take an insightful player's own self-analysis over that of a chart. There were split-second things happening of late -- being just a hair off in his timing -- that were behind why he had just one goal in nine games. Simmonds tends to be a little streaky like that, anyway, although the effort is beyond reproach. He scores in bunches and also has a few lengthy droughts each season.

I also got argued with over whether Simmonds fighting in the second period -- expressly for the purpose of trying to inject some emotion and energy into a pretty lifeless game up to that point -- was a good thing for him to do. Several teammates -- B. Schenn, Giroux, Voracek -- and Berube all pointed to it as something that kick-started the bench when energy was ebbing, yet ppl were arguing with me that "it's stupid for the team's top scorer to remove himself for five minutes in a scoreless game and risk injury."

There are still elements of emotion and team psychology very specific to hockey that play out very differently on the bench and the dressing room than they may seem from upstairs in the press box or on television.

It's a similar thing with goaltending. Not even raw save percentage is always a perfect indicator of how much the goaltending lifts or deflates a team. Goals against average alone is a very poor indicator, actually.

Mason said after last night's game that he always feels like he can do more any time there isn't a W at the end of the night. He feels like any goal -- power play or otherwise -- is at least partially on his own shoulders.

I love that attitude in a goalie. It resonates, and also puts the goalie in position to speak up (within the internal dressing room context) when other guys aren't pulling their weight. Part of the reason why Bryzgalov was so disliked by teammates in Phoenix and Philly was that he was quick to entirely dismiss himself from blame on any goal that was deflected or screened but quick to pin it on others.

These intangibles are still very real and still part of the game. Combining these things with the more quantifiable analytics gives you something closer to a panoramic picture of the sport.
- bmeltzer

First let me say that Tuesday's game was one of Mason's top five games of the season. I'd still argue the 2-0 loss against the Rangers might rank number one. With this said, the saves made in the shootout were on convincing and with authority. He was so good apparently he was willing to kill himself for a win.

Simmonds on the other hand I feel might have as much right to the "C" as Giroux does most night. He'll never lead the league in points but he gives his all, says all the right things and he's clutch. There isa ddifferent between super star and being just flat out important. Wayne Simmonds is important above anything else.

First let me say that Tuesday's game was one of Mason's top five games of the season. I'd still argue the 2-0 loss against the Rangers might rank number one. With this said, the saves made in the shootout were on convincing and with authority. He was so good apparently he was willing to kill himself for a win.

Simmonds on the other hand I feel has as might right to the "C" as Giroux does most night. He'll never lead the league in points but he gives his all, says all the right things and he's clutch. There isa ddifferent between super star and being just flat out important. Wayne Simmonds is important above anything else.
- SuperSchennBros

wayne simmonds is the (frank)ing man. there is no stat that could ever convince me otherwise. i admire giroux's talent, and feel a tug on the heartstrings for read's rags to riches, complete game, but simmonds is the player I envy the most. hes just flat out awesome. pure passion. hustle. and a mauler of a power forward.

id be giddy if the pens could ever actually beat the broons.
- stayinthefnnet

oh, what's the difference?! just let go. it's liberating.

oh, what's the difference?! just let go. it's liberating.
- hammarby31

i know you dont believe that, and im sticking to it.

you dont fool me my friend. i know apathy is easy on the surface but this season is draining away at some part of you.

I like this list better than the ISS List
- aflyerpower8

I've got $5 says the Flyers draft Strome or Hanifin.

Takers?

Man, seems like Button loves Marner even more than I do!
- Tomahawk

Too many question marks for my liking with were I suspect the Flyers to end up. If he fell, miraculously, into the second round or we had a late 1st from a trade, then I would be very interested. I think #3 is a bit too high for a guy that is 5'7'' by some accounts and 5'11' by others, only 163lbs, and has come on strong for the past 2-2.5 years but was under the radar prior. He has played great in the WJC but it seems risky to me. Most have him at 9 or later and I suspect the Flyers to be at the podium prior to that.

- PhillySportsGuy

(frank) it, I loved that play and still love that play.

/Danny Briere Fistpump

you're so giddy about this draft.
- hammarby31

Craig's List - McDavid, Eichel still neck and neck

http://www.tsn.ca/craig-s...ll-neck-and-neck-1.177115
- ob18

Havent you learned lately by the lat two drafts? The flyers select somebody way before they are projected and sometimes a player who wasnt even on the radar..Sanheim. Then we freak out and go off the deep end complaining about the pick and have no idea about the kid and call it a blown pick. Then we see the kid in action and go...oh wow!!!!Its pronger all over again!! Then we antisipate his first game and after watching his first game we want him thrown away for a puck and the coach scratches him for 10 games because the zombie we have is more an all around type player .

Too many question marks for my liking with were I suspect the Flyers to end up. If he fell, miraculously, into the second round or we had a late 1st from a trade, then I would be very interested. I think #3 is a bit too high for a guy that is 5'7'' by some accounts and 5'11' by others, only 163lbs, and has come on strong for the past 2-2.5 years but was under the radar prior. He has played great in the WJC but it seems risky to me. Most have him at 9 or later and I suspect the Flyers to be at the podium prior to that.
- coffee junkie

With frequent (unfair) comparisons to Kane and Giroux, the size doesn't scare me. I don't think I'd take him at 3 over Hanifin, but he's up there.

Havent you learned lately by the lat two drafts? The flyers select somebody way before they are projected and sometimes a player who wasnt even on the radar..Sanheim. Then we freak out and go off the deep end complaining about the pick and have no idea about the kid and call it a blown pick. Then we see the kid in action and go...oh wow!!!!Its pronger all over again!! Then we antisipate his first game and after watching his first game we want him thrown away for a puck and the coach scratches him for 10 games because the zombie we have is more an all around type player .
- jmdodgeser4

Havent you learned lately by the lat two drafts? The flyers select somebody way before they are projected and sometimes a player who wasnt even on the radar..Sanheim. Then we freak out and go off the deep end complaining about the pick and have no idea about the kid and call it a blown pick. Then we see the kid in action and go...oh wow!!!!Its pronger all over again!! Then we antisipate his first game and after watching his first game we want him thrown away for a puck and the coach scratches him for 10 games because the zombie we have is more an all around type player .
- jmdodgeser4

Hopefully it's a college player so we can question his desire for playing pro hockey because the kid stays in school.

Hopefully it's a college player so we can question his desire for playing pro hockey because the kid stays in school.
- MJL

Yah I forgot about that one. Maybe we can trade him for a 6Th dman then if we really are tired of his so called slow progression from the college level.

Havent you learned lately by the lat two drafts? The flyers select somebody way before they are projected and sometimes a player who wasnt even on the radar..Sanheim. Then we freak out and go off the deep end complaining about the pick and have no idea about the kid and call it a blown pick. Then we see the kid in action and go...oh wow!!!!Its pronger all over again!! Then we antisipate his first game and after watching his first game we want him thrown away for a puck and the coach scratches him for 10 games because the zombie we have is more an all around type player .
- jmdodgeser4

Fickle-delphia.