1. Sidney Crosby
2. Jonathan Toews
3. Anze Kopitar
4. Evgeni Malkin
5. Steven Stamkos
6. Patrice Bergeron
7. John Tavares
8. Ryan Getzlaf
9. Claude Giroux
10. Pavel Datsyuk
11. Joe Thornton
12. Tyler Seguin
13. Nathan MacKinnon
14. Henrik Sedin
15. Henrik Zetterberg
16. Nicklas Backstrom
17. Joe Pavelski
18. Matt Duchene
19. Ryan Kesler
20. Eric Staal
- bloatedmosquito

Nathan MacKinnon had a good year last year. Not much better than Nuge this season... If at all.

Sedin is an extremely biased opinion.

Zetterberg is better than Nuge, but he is a left winger

Staal is declining and is only gonna get worse.

Nathan MacKinnon had a good year last year. Not much better than Nuge this season... If at all.

Sedin is an extremely biased opinion.

Zetterberg is better than Nuge, but he is a left winger

Staal is declining and is only gonna get worse.
- Oilers4Life14

#shutup

also sedin is better right now, i don't believe bias plays into it.

My bad, I didn't read the whole convo leading up and misconstrued what you said to be that RNH would never be a legit #1 Center. As it stands right now, Nuge is not a legit #1 Center.
- Jeropotato

But he's a top 6 guy & that's all that matters.

1. Sidney Crosby
2. Jonathan Toews
3. Anze Kopitar
4. Evgeni Malkin
5. Steven Stamkos
6. Patrice Bergeron
7. John Tavares
8. Ryan Getzlaf
9. Claude Giroux
10. Pavel Datsyuk
11. Joe Thornton
12. Tyler Seguin
13. Nathan MacKinnon
14. Henrik Sedin
15. Henrik Zetterberg
16. Nicklas Backstrom
17. Joe Pavelski
18. Matt Duchene
19. Ryan Kesler
20. Eric Staal
- bloatedmosquito

Pavs is a RW

1) Seguin plays wing for the most part.

2) MacKinnon see Seguin.

3) Duchene that's debatable at best.
- Reveen

OK, can I substitute any of these for those three?

Logan Couture
Paul Stastny
Jason Spezza
David Krejci
Ryan Johansen
David Backes
Kyle Turris
Mikko Koivu

OK, can I substitute any of these for those three?

Logan Couture
Paul Stastny
Jason Spezza
David Krejci
Ryan Johansen
David Backes
Kyle Turris
Mikko Koivu
- bloatedmosquito

Not arrogance. I was only agreeing with Chet:

On the Oilers, RNH is the 1C as that is the position he plays as he is the most talented. Therefore, RNH is a 1C. Hell, if you want, we can see he is a 1C by default.
-Chet

Sorry the word "technically" offended you. Let me get my thesaurus and see if we can find a word more agreeable to you.

Sorry, RNH has played a full season... just like the 20 goals and 40 assist he amassed the same season. Right? Hell, we are rounding up so why not?
- bloatedmosquito

Ahhh the old deflecting when proven wrong response. I would expect nothing less from you. Just so we are on the same page then, Dank has had 2 79 game seasons, and an 81, and didn't play all 82 games until his 4th year, so we can say in any of those years he didn't play a full season. Hank only played 78 in his third year so clearly not a full season player that year.

hmmmmm
- DDM-Coga

I agree. Duchene and MacK are gifted players. I would take either over RNH any day.

OK, can I substitute any of these for those three?

Logan Couture
Paul Stastny
Jason Spezza
David Krejci
Ryan Johansen
David Backes
Kyle Turris
Mikko Koivu
- bloatedmosquito

i'd give you johansen and krejci right now, the rest you can make arguments one way or the other. Is Couture playing center? i was on a sharks blog and they were complaining that marleau was dragging him down and needed to be on the 3rd line

RNH and Dutch have almost the exact same stats across the board (minus Faceoffs, Duchene holds the edge in that) and this is considered a bad year for Duchene. RNH is bouncing back nicely after some tough injury seasons but I dont think he is considered debatable yet with Duchene.

I know you love RNH but he still needs to progress to get to where Duchene has been for a few seasons now. Both Young and I think RNH has the higher ceiling for a more complete Center but hes not there now.
- DDM-Coga

But Duch is DEFINITELY not better than the RNH, right?

I agree. Duchene and MacK are gifted players. I would take either over RNH any day.
- bloatedmosquito

You would also take a healthy dose of AIDS right up your rectum.

He also blatantly forgot Tyler Bozak. He's basically a Selke candidate being dragged down by two PPG wingers and 5 minutes of PP time a night. Poor sod.
- AdamFrench

Ok talent evaluator, would you have RNH in your top 20 centres this season? Not potential or trade value. Just a better centre than 20 others in the league.

But Duch is DEFINITELY not better than the RNH, right?
- Matt_Henderson

Depends on what sort of player you want, Duchene I think has more game breaking talent and speed. Right now hes getting the Stastny treatment with a boat load of defensive zone starts bc he is stronger on the Draw that Mack (before he switched to wing). So his offence has been sacrificed bc of that, cant expect a guy to pile up the points always starting a shift in his own end and hoping for a clean break out.

I like RNH bc hes smart, does the little plays that go unnoticed through a game, and has great vision out there. But I give the homer pick to Duchene bc we know what he has done and has dont more consistently than RNH (granted Duchene is older so has more opportunity to be more consistent in his career)

Ok talent evaluator, would you have RNH in your top 20 centres this season? Not potential or trade value. Just a better centre than 20 others in the league.
- bloatedmosquito

Nope.

Though he has been great. I wonder what his statline and rep would be like if Hall and Eberle weren't slumping hard

RNH and Dutch have almost the exact same stats across the board (minus Faceoffs, Duchene holds the edge in that) and this is considered a bad year for Duchene. RNH is bouncing back nicely after some tough injury seasons but I dont think he is considered debatable yet with Duchene.

I know you love RNH but he still needs to progress to get to where Duchene has been for a few seasons now. Both Young and I think RNH has the higher ceiling for a more complete Center but hes not there now.
- DDM-Coga

Where the (frank) have you been for the last 20 pages? I've tried to say the same thing and this group ranted about it.

Bet you get the ole "Yes Coga, good boy Coga. Goooood boy" treatment.

You would also take a healthy dose of AIDS right up your rectum.
- Reveen

We will have rutts administer this operation.

Depends on what sort of player you want, Duchene I think has more game breaking talent and speed. Right now hes getting the Stastny treatment with a boat load of defensive zone starts bc he is stronger on the Draw that Mack (before he switched to wing). So his offence has been sacrificed bc of that, cant expect a guy to pile up the points always starting a shift in his own end and hoping for a clean break out.

I like RNH bc hes smart, does the little plays that go unnoticed through a game, and has great vision out there. But I give the homer pick to Duchene bc we know what he has done and has dont more consistently than RNH (granted Duchene is older so has more opportunity to be more consistent in his career)
- DDM-Coga

Duchene's proved a lot more so he'd definitely get my nod as of right now.

I foresee pretty similar careers, though

Where the (frank) have you been for the last 20 pages? I've tried to say the same thing and this group ranted about it.

Bet you get the ole "Yes Coga, good boy Coga. Goooood boy" treatment.
- bloatedmosquito

No reveen will still tell me to eat a Richard

"Additionally, these grades are for individuals but if we start to look at them as a team you have to start compounding them. If a line consists of 3 players with grades in the C's then what we're really getting is bad mixed with bad mixed with bad. As a line they may grade out significantly worse than their individual marks."

??????WHAT??????

Guess what the average grade of three C's is? Oooooh I know I know...is it an F? Yes, Mr. Henderson...you get an F.

I appreciate that you wrote this blog though, and thank you...but stop trying to do math (for your own sake and ours).

My bad, I didn't read the whole convo leading up and misconstrued what you said to be that RNH would never be a legit #1 Center. As it stands right now, Nuge is not a legit #1 Center.
- Jeropotato

You're my favorite oil poster. I just can't stay mad at you.

Where the (frank) have you been for the last 20 pages? I've tried to say the same thing and this group ranted about it.

Bet you get the ole "Yes Coga, good boy Coga. Goooood boy" treatment.
- bloatedmosquito

His comments come in a nicer, fluffier, less arrogant package. When he makes a point like this that i don't fully agree with, but can understand the logic, its easier to have a nice spirited debate with him.

Is that what you were looking for?

No reveen will still tell me to eat a Richard
- DDM-Coga

(frank) you Fat Deadmarsh

Where the (frank) have you been for the last 20 pages? I've tried to say the same thing and this group ranted about it.

Bet you get the ole "Yes Coga, good boy Coga. Goooood boy" treatment.
- bloatedmosquito

Coga gets respect because he isn't an arrogant POS like you.

Ahhh the old deflecting when proven wrong response. I would expect nothing less from you. Just so we are on the same page then, Dank has had 2 79 game seasons, and an 81, and didn't play all 82 games until his 4th year, so we can say in any of those years he didn't play a full season. Hank only played 78 in his third year so clearly not a full season player that year.
- ruttager17

Yes, you're technically correct.

We will have rutts administer this operation.
- SJSharks39

Pretty sure we can just ship him to San Francisco and he can spend a day downtown and have this administered to him by any number of guys there.