1st plus a blue chip prospect could get them somebody much better than Coburn, methinks.
- Tomahawk

Such as?

Such as?
- Feanor

The Blues got JBo for a 1st and 2 barely-still-prospects last TDL. The 1st is worth even more this year, by itself.

1st+top-prospect this year = legit #1 guy?

The Blues got JBo for a 1st and 2 barely-still-prospects last TDL. The 1st is worth even more this year, by itself.

1st+top-prospect this year = legit top-pair guy?
- Tomahawk

I know JBo is better than Coburn, but I'm asking who's available and better than Coburn this year.

I'd be happy with a 1st from a team like LA. A prospect would be a bonus.

The Blues got JBo for a 1st and 2 barely-still-prospects last TDL. The 1st is worth even more this year, by itself.

1st+top-prospect this year = legit #1 guy?
- Tomahawk

It's a good point, but it's also supply and demand. Even if J-Bo is better, if Coburn is still the "top guy" available this year, he'll command what a top guy commands.

Just curious. If you had to pick between Phaneuf and Kessel who would you prefer.
- J35Bacher

That's a tough call. I guess Kessel.. He can score. Phaneuf does nothing to earn anywhere near his 7M

Ouch:
http://www.broadstreethoc...grossmann-analysis-flyers
- Tomahawk

YOU CAnt' JDuge hINM on PSOESENOON STATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!K

It's a good point, but it's also supply and demand. Even if J-Bo is better, if Coburn is still the "top guy" available this year, he'll command what a top guy commands.
- jmatchett383

...like a chick still available at last call!

I know JBo is better than Coburn, but I'm asking who's available and better than Coburn this year.

I'd be happy with a 1st from a team like LA. A prospect would be a bonus.
- Feanor

Somebody like Seabrook maybe could be shaken loose this summer.

It's a good point, but it's also supply and demand. Even if J-Bo is better, if Coburn is still the "top guy" available this year, he'll command what a top guy commands.
- jmatchett383

Even if Coburn is the top available dman, I think it's extremely unlikely he nets a 1st in this draft AND a top prospect. I'm thinking a 1st and 3rd/middle tier prospect at most. I'd expect something more like two 2nds or a 2nd and a decent prospect.

YOU CAnt' JDuge hINM on PSOESENOON STATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!K
- NickTheKid87

Lol, I think people forget that shot-suppression skills are 50% of possession, not just the fancy stuff that turns into shot generation.

Apparently Grossmann just ain't that good of a pure defender, either.

Somebody like Seabrook maybe could be shaken loose this summer.
- Tomahawk

That doesn't help the Voynov-less Kings this season, though.

Lol, I think people forget that shot-suppression skills are 50% of possession, not just the fancy stuff that turns into shot generation.

Apparently Grossmann just ain't that good of a pure defender, either.
- Tomahawk

This is all false data anyway since it doesn't align with my beliefs.

Even if Coburn is the top available dman, I think it's extremely unlikely he nets a 1st in this draft AND a top prospect. I'm thinking a 1st and 3rd/middle tier prospect at most. I'd expect something more like two 2nds or a 2nd and a decent prospect.
- NickTheKid87

Maybe.

I think depends on team and chances to get to Stanley cup. Maybe a team like Anaheim might give up more because they have a legit chance to win the cup.

That doesn't help the Voynov-less Kings this season, though.
- Feanor

Well, we all know the usual suspects: Yandle, Byfuglien, Phaneuf, Myers, etc.

Maybe add somebody like Methot to that list, since LA loves their big bodies, not that he's worth anything close to 1st + .

This is all false data anyway since it doesn't align with my beliefs.
- NickTheKid87

Maybe.

I think depends on team and chances to get to Stanley cup. Maybe a team like Anaheim might give up more because they have a legit chance to win the cup.
- J35Bacher

I don't see Anaheim giving up a 1st + one of Theodore/Ritchie/Rakell/Karlsson. Maybe a 1st and Montour or Leblanc. Same goes for LA. A 1st + Zykov/McKeown for Coburn may be a worse deal than trading a 3rd for Schultz (as in the value would be getting Schultz).

I know JBo is better than Coburn, but I'm asking who's available and better than Coburn this year.

I'd be happy with a 1st from a team like LA. A prospect would be a bonus.
- Feanor

Coburn
Myers
sekera
Campbell
Yandle
Petry

Just to name a few.

Well, we all know the usual suspects: Yandle, Byfuglien, Phaneuf, Myers, etc.

Maybe add somebody like Methot to that list, since LA loves their big bodies, not that he's worth anything close to 1st + .
- Tomahawk

I don't think Byfuglien can be moved since WPG is close to playoffs.

Well, we all know the usual suspects: Yandle, Byfuglien, Phaneuf, Myers, etc.

Maybe add somebody like Methot to that list, since LA loves their big bodies, not that he's worth anything close to 1st + .
- Tomahawk

I don't think Byfuglien can be moved since WPG is close to playoffs.

Well, we all know the usual suspects: Yandle, Byfuglien, Phaneuf, Myers, etc.

Maybe add somebody like Methot to that list, since LA loves their big bodies, not that he's worth anything close to 1st + .
- Tomahawk

With those others available, LA wouldn't move a 1st and Zykov for Coburn when they could get a guy like Yandle. If those guys you mentioned are available, it'll keep Coburn's price close to the median and away from the extreme.

This is all false data anyway since it doesn't align with my beliefs.
- NickTheKid87

think of it this way...in some parallel universe the flyers are winning the cup, in other we are getting mcdavid, but in this one we are stuck with grossman

- Jsaquella

If you would step away from the spreadsheets and used the eyeball test solely, you'd see that Nick Grossmann is indeed a defenseman.

I don't think Byfuglien can be moved since WPG is close to playoffs.
- J35Bacher

If Pavs continues to play like a #1 goalie. Big if, tho.

think of it this way...in some parallel universe the flyers are winning the cup, in other we are getting mcdavid, but in this one we are stuck with grossman
- PhillaBully

I want to go to the universe were I am as good as Gretzky and lead the Flyers to the Cup.

Maybe.

I think depends on team and chances to get to Stanley cup. Maybe a team like Anaheim might give up more because they have a legit chance to win the cup.
- J35Bacher

Agreed, a team like Anaheim is likely giving up a pick between 28-30. I think they'd make that deal if they thought it would improve their cup chances.