Without delving into this too deep:

Yes, the best way to analyze the game is to watch it as well as delve into some of the "advanced" stats. If you want to do that, it's fine (although I've found that most advanced stats just confirm the eye test, but I digress). However, when some people (as in one whose username rhymes wuth "Chomahawk") comes in with a new set of advanced stats clubbing the same player every single day, and then engages in a pissing match with someone who disregards most advanced stats (as in one whose username rhymes with MJSmell), then it's just both parties refusing to give an inch and acknowledge any validity of the other side. And the cycle continues...
- jmatchett383

At some point it stops being about hockey and starts becoming ideological and that's where there needs to be an agreement to disagree.

Better Half gets her first infusion of Remicade today. If she responds well, she'll feel like a normal human for the first time in her life come February or March.

Good vibes please, friends?
- Giroux_Is_God

Crohns?

Sending good vibes.

Without delving into this too deep:

Yes, the best way to analyze the game is to watch it as well as delve into some of the "advanced" stats. If you want to do that, it's fine (although I've found that most advanced stats just confirm the eye test, but I digress).

However, when some people (as in one whose username rhymes with "Chomahawk") comes in with a new set of advanced stats clubbing the same player every single day, and then engages in a pissing match with someone who disregards most advanced stats (as in one whose username rhymes with MJSmell), then it's just both parties refusing to give an inch and acknowledge any validity of the other side. And the cycle continues...
- jmatchett383

No idea who you're talking about. But then my rhyming skills are pretty bad.

At some point it stops being about hockey and starts becoming ideological and that's where there needs to be an agreement to disagree.
- NickTheKid87

I agree to agree with you about that. But it seems like at least every other day, the same 2 individuals (both of whom I actually enjoy talking with) feel the need to puff out their chests and stand in defiance of logic and common sense to prove their points. It's maddening.

Also, can I be insulted by this please?

Conversely, it seems like a lot of people see "Grossman's not as bad as the advanced statistics suggest," and automatically assume said person "doesn't understand" statistics.

The fact that you can only offer anecdotal evidence on the latter part of the post says everything about that suggestion.
- BulliesPhan87

If MDZ had Grossmanns numbers, I feel like we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Everyone would just be in agreement that he's not playing well.

Better Half gets her first infusion of Remicade today. If she responds well, she'll feel like a normal human for the first time in her life come February or March.

Good vibes please, friends?
- Giroux_Is_God

No idea who you're talking about. But then my rhyming skills are pretty bad.
- wolfhounds

Okay. I was talking about Tim Pannaccio and Shayne Gostisbehere. Damn Ghost and his advanced stats jihad.

No idea who you're talking about. But then my rhyming skills are pretty bad.
- wolfhounds

(frank)ing Golfhounds

Advanced stats are relatively new in hockey, really only picking up steam over the last 3-5 years or so. At some point, maybe 10-15 years done the road, isolating an individual player will be much easier. I think the idea that they will never be a particularly effective tool is silly. There was time when humans thought the sun revolved around the world but look what's happened since. We know the age of the observable universe for gods sake, I think we can use math to do a lot less than that.
- NickTheKid87

Hockey > Meaning of Life > Science > Universe

If MDZ had Grossmanns numbers, I feel like we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Everyone would just be in agreement that he's not playing well.
- PhillySportsGuy

If my aunt had balls...

Crohns?

Sending good vibes.

- MBFlyerfan

Well, not exactly. Her immune system is attacking her spine, which is manifesting itself as GI, vision, and nerve issues.

This is the first time we're trying to treat it, as opposed to controlling symptoms.

She also found out she's Celiac positive in the last couple months, so laying off the gluten is helping to.

I don't know dude, Couturier seems to be the straw that stirs the drink for his line and the other two guys can't keep up. Normally it's the centers line but it doesn't have to be.

Giroux's line
Simmonds' line
Couturier's line
Lecavalier's line
- SuperSchennBros

I hear you, but that is just a function of the current roster make up. And right now that is a bottom-five roster. Of course, a lot of it is on the defense, which is mediocre at best. But neither the 2nd nor 3rd line has generated offense with any degree of consistency either.

Let's face it...last week when it looked like G would be done for the year, everyone's first thought was that we'd be in the discussion as a potential landing spot for McDavid. Yes, losing one of the top 10 players in the league would be tough on any team. But with this lineup it would have truly been a disaster.

I agree to agree with you about that. But it seems like at least every other day, the same 2 individuals (both of whom I actually enjoy talking with) feel the need to puff out their chests and stand in defiance of logic and common sense to prove their points. It's maddening.

Also, can I be insulted by this please?
- jmatchett383

Humans love having the simple two sides. Black and white, right and wrong, etc. Why do you think Christianity caught on? Good v. evil. Doesn't get any easier than that. Unfortunately, the world is as gray as it gets.

Okay. I was talking about Tim Pannaccio and Shayne Gostisbehere. Damn Ghost and his advanced stats jihad.
- jmatchett383

Friggin' staterrorists.

If my aunt had balls...
- BulliesPhan87

(frank)ing Golfhounds
- PhillySportsGuy

Wait a minute, SillyWortsPie!

Better Half gets her first infusion of Remicade today. If she responds well, she'll feel like a normal human for the first time in her life come February or March.

Good vibes please, friends?
- Giroux_Is_God

Good luck to her! Hope it all goes well.

Humans love having the simple two sides. Black and white, right and wrong, etc. Why do you think Christianity caught on? Good v. evil. Doesn't get any easier than that. Unfortunately, the world is as gray as it gets.
- NickTheKid87

#deep

Humans love having the simple two sides. Black and white, right and wrong, etc. Why do you think Christianity caught on? Good v. evil. Doesn't get any easier than that. Unfortunately, the world is as gray as it gets.
- NickTheKid87

That's why I NEVER deal in absolutes.

That's why I NEVER deal in absolutes.
- TheGreat28

I absolutely agree.

Well, not exactly. Her immune system is attacking her spine, which is manifesting itself as GI, vision, and nerve issues.

This is the first time we're trying to treat it, as opposed to controlling symptoms.

She also found out she's Celiac positive in the last couple months, so laying off the gluten is helping to.
- Giroux_Is_God

All the prayers, good vibes, and positive corsis to her

Wait a minute, SillyWortsPie!
- wolfhounds

I now must change my name

Humans love having the simple two sides. Black and white, right and wrong, etc. Why do you think Christianity caught on? Good v. evil. Doesn't get any easier than that. Unfortunately, the world is as gray as it gets.
- NickTheKid87

Woah, easy on my brain, Socrates.

Is anyone else continuously getting redirected to other sites?

Wait a minute, SillyWortsPie!
- wolfhounds