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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 13 @ 12:07 PM ET
If my numbers are correct we only got one puck this year and that was laughtons first
- Just5


Zepp's first win
dmorin
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: new liskeard, ON
Joined: 11.27.2014

Jan 13 @ 12:07 PM ET
Great night all-around! Am I to believe we can actually 'hang' with the league's elite teams?
Kudos to Razer being a true professional...
Guaranteed he was pissed to not get the start (something would be wrong if he wasn't), but he understands his role and he just wants his teammates to succeed. Great team guy!!!
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jan 13 @ 12:11 PM ET
Great night all-around! Am I to believe we can actually 'hang' with the league's elite teams?
Kudos to Razer being a true professional...
Guaranteed he was pissed to not get the start (something would be wrong if he wasn't), but he understands his role and he just wants his teammates to succeed. Great team guy!!!

- dmorin


When they have off-nights, sure!
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jan 13 @ 12:12 PM ET
1) The writer has no idea if Carlson was the top available name on the Flyers' draft list at that point. Not that they absolutely would not have picked another D in the first round, but the Flyers had already picked Sbisa earlier in the first round. Actually, goalie Chet Pickard -- who turned out be a bust but was the consensus top goalie in the draft among virtually all NHL scouts -- was the guy they wanted but were unable to trade up to get).

2) Hindsight "Team X could have drafted Player Y" stuff is pointless. You can do that for every team in every draft. I wish I could post the full transcript of Jay Greenberg's recent interview with Simon Nolet for the upcoming Flyers 50th Anniversary book. Nolet has been a highly successful scout over a long career and would be the first to tell you -- and says it a half-dozen times in his interview -- that there is a lot of luck needed after the fact to produce a home run of a pick. Even the very best like Nolet have more misses that hits.
everytime I try to figure out Homer I ask Y?
3) The Flyers quickly turned Eminger right around and packaged him with Downie for Matt Carle, who had productive years in Philly prior to his UFA departure.

- bmeltzer

JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 13 @ 12:12 PM ET
Masegalov?
- MBFlyerfan

definitely
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 13 @ 12:14 PM ET
If you're going to discuss curse levels, please provide some type of chart with it. A pie chart would be nice, with curse level/60.
- MJL

look at you with the jokes today
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jan 13 @ 12:14 PM ET
1) The writer has no idea if Carlson was the top available name on the Flyers' draft list at that point. Not that they absolutely would not have picked another D in the first round, but the Flyers had already picked Sbisa earlier in the first round. Actually, goalie Chet Pickard -- who turned out be a bust but was the consensus top goalie in the draft among virtually all NHL scouts -- was the guy they wanted but were unable to trade up to get).

2) Hindsight "Team X could have drafted Player Y" stuff is pointless. You can do that for every team in every draft. I wish I could post the full transcript of Jay Greenberg's recent interview with Simon Nolet for the upcoming Flyers 50th Anniversary book. Nolet has been a highly successful scout over a long career and would be the first to tell you -- and says it a half-dozen times in his interview -- that there is a lot of luck needed after the fact to produce a home run of a pick. Even the very best like Nolet have more misses that hits.

3) The Flyers quickly turned Eminger right around and packaged him with Downie for Matt Carle, who had productive years in Philly prior to his UFA departure.

- bmeltzer

with Homer I always ask Y?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 13 @ 12:15 PM ET
I don't think it's Mason. The Flyers are an inverse-Voracek team.

- In 11/12, he had a fair 18G/49PTS, and the Flyers were a fair team.
- In 12/13, he burst out for a pro-rated 37G/78PTS and the Flyers were bad.
- In 13/14, he was better than 11/12 but worse than 12/13 (23G/62PTS) and the Flyers were better than 12/13 but worse than 11/12.
- This season, he has a pro-rated 32G/99PTS, his best year since joining the team, and the Flyers are on pace for a points% of 0.95, their worst since acquiring him.

To sum up:
11/12 - Voracek's worst year, Flyers' best year
12/13 - Voracek's 2nd-best year, Flyers' 2nd-worst year
13/14 - Voracek's 3rd-best year, Flyers' 3rd-worst year
14/15 - Voracek's best year, Flyers' worst year.

Jake is obviously the problem. I'd demote him to the 4th line ASAP.

- jmatchett383

nope can only be the goalie's fault everyone knows this
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jan 13 @ 12:16 PM ET
Great night all-around! Am I to believe we can actually 'hang' with the league's elite teams?
Kudos to Razer being a true professional...
Guaranteed he was pissed to not get the start (something would be wrong if he wasn't), but he understands his role and he just wants his teammates to succeed. Great team guy!!!

- dmorin

Razor is cutting edge
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 13 @ 12:17 PM ET
Razor is cutting edge
- vejim

goes post to post like a dull knife through iron
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jan 13 @ 12:19 PM ET
Even worse than their raw Fen-close (38%)... on the rare occasions they do have the puck, they don't have enough talent to really do much with it.

Flyers are the opposite... thanks G/Jake!

- Tomahawk


They are so bad. They're the second worst team points wise and are due for regression.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jan 13 @ 12:19 PM ET
goes post to post like a dull knife through iron
- JoeRussomanno

I think Grossman has faster reflexes
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jan 13 @ 12:26 PM ET
I hate those what if articles. Yea what if the Flyers kept their 1st instead of trading for Eminger, What if Homer landed Shea Weber, What if Pronger never got injured, What if Leighton made the save of the Cup winning goal in 2010. It is a stupid game to play, you find a 100 of things to think what if on. There is no point thinking about, past is the past, what was done is done and cant be changed.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 13 @ 12:27 PM ET
They are so bad. They're the second worst team points wise and are due for regression.
- PhillySportsGuy


Saturday night should make for an interesting tilt. I'll be interested in seeing the line on that game.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jan 13 @ 12:41 PM ET
Zepp's first win
- Jsaquella


Touché
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 13 @ 12:51 PM ET
I hate those what if articles. Yea what if the Flyers kept their 1st instead of trading for Eminger, What if Homer landed Shea Weber, What if Pronger never got injured, What if Leighton made the save of the Cup winning goal in 2010. It is a stupid game to play, you find a 100 of things to think what if on. There is no point thinking about, past is the past, what was done is done and cant be changed.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


The hope is to move on, but never forget, lest it be repeated again.

(They better not be trading away any top-60 picks for a good long while)
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 13 @ 12:53 PM ET
The hope is to move on, but never forget, lest it be repeated again.

(They better not be trading away any top-60 picks for a good long while)

- Tomahawk


I would, if the return was adequate or better.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 13 @ 12:53 PM ET
They are so bad. They're the second worst team points wise and are due for regression.
- PhillySportsGuy


Nobody's gonna say they didn't get McEichel through merit.
JonnyHammerstix
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.12.2013

Jan 13 @ 12:53 PM ET
Touché
- Just5



Bellemare's first too I would think.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jan 13 @ 12:55 PM ET
Bellemare's first too I would think.
- JonnyHammerstix


MDZ‘s first Flyers goal
JonnyHammerstix
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.12.2013

Jan 13 @ 12:56 PM ET
with Homer I always ask Y?
- vejim



flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jan 13 @ 12:57 PM ET
Flyers currently have 41 points.

Edmonton with 29, Buffalo with 31, Carolina with 31. The top three picks are locked up.

The remaining teams are all fairly close, with Colorado at 44 points, and currently 10th.

Seems Philadelphia will truly be picking in the 5-10 spot this year.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 13 @ 12:58 PM ET
nope can only be the goalie's fault everyone knows this

- JoeRussomanno

only if the goalie's name is beachballgalov
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 13 @ 12:59 PM ET
Flyers currently have 41 points.

Edmonton with 29, Buffalo with 31, Carolina with 31. The top three picks are locked up.

The remaining teams are all fairly close, with Colorado at 44 points, and currently 10th.

Seems Philadelphia will truly be picking in the 5-10 spot this year.

- flyer_nutter

you know if they only lost a few more games they'd be picking in the top 3 but they still decide to win games
you know how nashville got seth jones... yea
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 13 @ 12:59 PM ET
How Coburn got hurt (thanks to Akanon on HFB.)

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