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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jan 15 @ 11:17 AM ET
I know why Chief does it, but it hasn't worked, as you've stated for Schenn or Read. Raffl compliments G and Jake well for some reason.
- aantny88



Yes but the problem moving forward is having relying on Raffl as your top line winger. Yes they want Schenn to succeed. He will get a little more leeway to try and get him going. Raffl while a nice player is not someone you want to have to be relying on to produce in the future. If Schenn isn't producing then he doesn't have great value. Even when Couturier isn't scoring he does a lot of other things to help. That is not the case with Schenn.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 15 @ 11:18 AM ET
There's also a ton of chain and independent places that serve far worse food for far worse prices. Olive Garden is what it is. It's not gourmet Italian, but not like it's the most awful place ever in the history of ever.
- jmatchett383


I've gone to so called gourmet places and the food was actually not as good as OG.

Any chain place you face the same type of issues
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jan 15 @ 11:19 AM ET
https://vine.co/v/OD0lHLMQWj9
- hobo


his feet are starting to come up off the ice as he hits him, which is a result of a slight launching of his upper body and arms to come up and into laughton. seeing this slow mo vine seems a little worse to me than what i saw last night. the back of niskanen's shoulder and his back also seem to graze the right side of laughton's head too.

i'm not going to say it's a dirty hit, but i don't like it.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jan 15 @ 11:19 AM ET
Olive Garden gets awful jokes made about it because Olive Garden is awful.

There are plenty of independent places that serve far better food.

- johndewar

OG really isn't the worst ever


because Applebees is the uncontested holder of that title
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jan 15 @ 11:20 AM ET
I've gone to so called gourmet places and the food was actually not as good as OG.

Any chain place you face the same type of issues

- Jsaquella


Chili's is pretty good relatively speaking. I like Friday's too.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 15 @ 11:20 AM ET
There are plenty of independent places that serve far better food.
- johndewar


Better, maybe. But UNLIMITED? Yah, didn't think so.

(place is vile)
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jan 15 @ 11:20 AM ET
OG really isn't the worst ever


because Applebees is the uncontested holder of that title

- BulliesPhan87


Yeah Applebees is gross.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 15 @ 11:20 AM ET
That sounds like the kind of player PEB could become, although I don't think he has Raffl's offensive upside.
- jmatchett383



Bellemare is another one of those solid all around role players that a team needs. Flyers have a good supply of them.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 15 @ 11:22 AM ET
his feet are starting to come up off the ice as he hits him, which is a result of a slight launching of his upper body and arms to come up and into laughton. seeing this slow mo vine seems a little worse to me than what i saw last night. the back of niskanen's shoulder and his back also seem to graze the right side of laughton's head too.

i'm not going to say it's a dirty hit, but i don't like it.

- hammarby31


Had Rinaldo been in the lineup, it never would have happened.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 15 @ 11:23 AM ET
Matt Read's literally the only player who's WOWY's look worse w/ Raffl. In most cases, he's boosting guys' possession-times by 5-6%, including 28/93. He's a puck-magnet or something.
- Tomahawk



Wowy's can't show that a player makes other players better. Lots of factors involved. Normally when a player is moved around the lineup, his role, ice time, game situations, linemates, all change. Not a reliable stat, in my opinion.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 15 @ 11:23 AM ET
Chili's is pretty good relatively speaking. I like Friday's too.
- NickTheKid87


You just need to have a reasonable expectation. I don't head into a Chilli's or Fruday's expecting stellar, world class ribs. I expect a decent meal for $10-20, and a beer or two.

I don't go to Olive Garden expecting the best Italian meal of my life. Just like I don't go to Denny's and expect to leave without dysentery
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 15 @ 11:23 AM ET
Had Rinaldo been in the lineup, it never would have happened.
- PLindbergh31


Agreed, Laughton would never try that on the PK.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 15 @ 11:24 AM ET
Wowy's can't show that a player makes other players better. Lots of factors involved. Normally when a player is moved around the lineup, his role, ice time, game situations, linemates, all change. Not a reliable stat, in my opinion.
- MJL


...aaaaand away we go...
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Jan 15 @ 11:25 AM ET
Sami Kapanen would be our top defenseman right now.
- jmatchett383

Pretty Much
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jan 15 @ 11:25 AM ET
Appropriate quote for Zeppelin- one of my favorite LZ songs.
- missingmike


too bad streit is really the primary culprit though.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 15 @ 11:26 AM ET
Wowy's can't show that a player makes other players better. Lots of factors involved. Normally when a player is moved around the lineup, his role, ice time, game situations, linemates, all change. Not a reliable stat, in my opinion.
- MJL


I don't particularly find it reliable either, for some of the reasons you mentioned... but it's still pretty significant when every line seems to get worse when Raffl leaves it, right? (numbers corroborated by eyeballs)
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 15 @ 11:26 AM ET
Yes but the problem moving forward is having relying on Raffl as your top line winger. Yes they want Schenn to succeed. He will get a little more leeway to try and get him going. Raffl while a nice player is not someone you want to have to be relying on to produce in the future. If Schenn isn't producing then he doesn't have great value. Even when Couturier isn't scoring he does a lot of other things to help. That is not the case with Schenn.
- J35Bacher



Schenn has been in a goal scoring slump regardless of where he plays. I put it on the player, not the coach. I'm far more concerned about lines 2-3 then I am about the 1st line, as I'm sure everybody is.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Jan 15 @ 11:28 AM ET


duck duck

GOOSE
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Jan 15 @ 11:28 AM ET
I actually thought it was a clean hit......got him in the shoulder. I just hate that the flyers have ZERO physicality. And I am not talking about fighting and no I don't want a "goon" in the lineup
- nastyflyergirl



x2
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 15 @ 11:28 AM ET
I don't particularly find it reliable either, for some of the reasons you mentioned... but it's still pretty significant when every line seems to get worse when Raffl leaves it, right? (as corroborated w/ the eyeballs)
- Tomahawk



I like Raffl, and think he is a good player, but he is not an offensive catalyst, in my opinion. I think there's lots of reasons why lines fluctuate in play. I don't think the line of Simmonds/Laughton/Raffl has been that good. I thnk Laughton's game away from the puck is NHL caliber, but I don't think he's quite ready with the puck for a 2nd line center role.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jan 15 @ 11:29 AM ET
That and Achilles Last Stand are some of Zeppelin's best "hard rock" songs!
- aantny88


ALS is probably my favorite zeppelin song. the 3 separate - what i'm calling "drum/cymbal fills" - from bonham are just epic.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jan 15 @ 11:29 AM ET
duck duck

GOOSE

- -davies-


ok, doc.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jan 15 @ 11:30 AM ET
You just need to have a reasonable expectation. I don't head into a Chilli's or Fruday's expecting stellar, world class ribs. I expect a decent meal for $10-20, and a beer or two.

I don't go to Olive Garden expecting the best Italian meal of my life. Just like I don't go to Denny's and expect to leave without dysentery

- Jsaquella


Yup pretty much. I know plenty of independent restaurants that are in the same price range and better and I also know of some that are worse. The main reason I even go to chains like Friday's and Chili's is because I know exactly what I'm getting so there's no risk involved.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jan 15 @ 11:31 AM ET
You just need to have a reasonable expectation. I don't head into a Chilli's or Fruday's expecting stellar, world class ribs. I expect a decent meal for $10-20, and a beer or two.

I don't go to Olive Garden expecting the best Italian meal of my life. Just like I don't go to Denny's and expect to leave without dysentery

- Jsaquella

if you stick to the soup and breadsticks, olive garden is tolerable

if you stick to water, you may survive a trip to applebees without dying of dehydration #saltcity
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jan 15 @ 11:31 AM ET
When is Niskanen's hearing?
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