4pts for Mitchell Marner that's 86 on the year

Pat Kane jr is unreal that's why he's lock to go 3rd overall

I think the BIGGEST disappointment is by far Cody Hodgson.
That was a terrible signing.
- Sabresfan88

Darcy

Ted Nolan doesn't mesh well with that kind of talent.
- buffalofan19

with the exception of his handling of Hasek....


His teams and "that kind of talent he had (aka his top 3 scorers)":

Buffalo 95/96 - a 30 yr old LaFontaine (did score 91 points), Randy Burridge, and Derek Plante...no other future talent on the roster

Buffalo 96/97 - Derek Plante, Brian Holzinger, Donald Audette...no other future talent on the roster

QMJHL 05/06 Moncton Wildcats - top 2 (two no-names), Brad Marchand, Keith Yandle (Andy McDonald was also on the roster)...won the Championship

Islanders 06/07 - Jason Blake, Miroslav Satan, and Mike Sillinger...no other future talent on the roster

Islanders 07/08 - Mike Comrie, a 36 yr old Bill Guerin, and Miroslav Satan...no other future talent on the roster

Latvia - Girgensons, Gudlevskis, annnnnd no one...almost beat team Canada

I could do the same layout for the last year and a half of sabres, but i feel as if most people on this site would understand that this team has been a train wreck for the last year and a half...so IMO its not fair to judge him while he is trying to wrangle cats......

That being said...even if you want to discount the one year he had talent on his team (and won a trophy)...there is no evidence to support the claim that he does not mesh well with McDavid/Eichel, Reinhart, and Girgs kind of talent...

What it will take:


Taylor Hall & Justin Schultz

For

Myers, Ennis & NYI 1st

with the exception of his handling of Hasek....


His teams and "that kind of talent he had (aka his top 3 scorers)":

Buffalo 95/96 - a 30 yr old LaFontaine (did score 91 points), Randy Burridge, and Derek Plante...no other future talent on the roster

Buffalo 96/97 - Derek Plante, Brian Holzinger, Donald Audette...no other future talent on the roster

QMJHL 05/06 Moncton Wildcats - top 2 (two no-names), Brad Marchand, Keith Yandle (Andy McDonald was also on the roster)...won the Championship

Islanders 06/07 - Jason Blake, Miroslav Satan, and Mike Sillinger...no other future talent on the roster

Islanders 07/08 - Mike Comrie, a 36 yr old Bill Guerin, and Miroslav Satan...no other future talent on the roster

Latvia - Girgensons, Gudlevskis, annnnnd no one...almost beat team Canada

I could do the same layout for the last year and a half of sabres, but i feel as if most people on this site would understand that this team has been a train wreck for the last year and a half...so IMO its not fair to judge him while he is trying to wrangle cats......

That being said...even if you want to discount the one year he had talent on his team (and won a trophy)...there is no evidence to support the claim that he does not mesh well with McDavid/Eichel, Reinhart, and Girgs kind of talent...
- feetontheair22

And his inability to get along with Hasek is well documented. DiPietro had a career year when they made the playoffs. Gudlesvkis almost stole that game for Latvia. People act like Latvia outplayed Canada. That wasn't the case. They should have got murdered. It wasn't some "inspiration from a coach". It was a goaltender playing the game of his life. And that's the story of Ted Nolan's career. When his goaltending is stellar, not just good, but stellar, he wins some games. When his goaltending is anything below great, he wins very little.

And his inability to get along with Hasek is well documented. DiPietro had a career year when they made the playoffs. Gudlesvkis almost stole that game for Latvia. People act like Latvia outplayed Canada. That wasn't the case. They should have got murdered. It wasn't some "inspiration from a coach". It was a goaltender playing the game of his life. And that's the story of Ted Nolan's career. When his goaltending is stellar, not just good, but stellar, he wins some games. When his goaltending is anything below great, he wins very little.
- buffalofan19

My point still stands. We've never seen him....in his entire coaching career...equipped with REAL talent...so we can't judge exactly how he meshes with real talent

EDIT: if we get McDavid...and Nolan goes 1-10 in the first 11 games of the season with Reinhart and McDavid in the lineup...we will get our answer...until then no one can be sure

81 Pts in 31 games that is nuts for Marner

yeah. me too. Im trying to figure out now if I should buy a southwest ticket before the finals and cancel it if they lose or just buy one the day they win it all and pay through the nose.
If they ever win the cup with teddy, im going to need to be at that parade and will probably need a new liver afterwords.

I suppose I got a few years to figure it out.
- seedy

Regardless of who is coaching, who is on the roster, etc - I've already got a standing notice to the ol' lady that I WILL be in Buffalo for that parade

81 Pts in 31 games that is nuts for Marner
- gerbe75pts

You just said 86 points 19 minutes ago, what happened??

Yea it's all just disheartening to me to see Teddy just being fed to the wolves.

It's no secret that I like the guy as a man , not a hockey coach but as the excellent Father he is and human being.

I have only had a few conversations with Teddy personally but I know a genuine human being when I hear and see them.
- BuffaloHardHat

Please don't confuse anyone's criticism of Nolan as a knock against the man personally, hardhat. Those who complain about him are complaining about what they think he is as a coach, not a husband, father, etc.

I've enjoyed your posting tonight, lots of well thought out stuff. I'm not a big fan of Nolan, but I agree with you when you say it's tough to judge him on this return stint to Buffalo. This team has 2 quality forwards (Ennis and Girgensons), a guy who needs stellar linemates (Moulson), and a bunch of poop rounding out the rest of the lineup (in the way of true talent). To fault Nolan heavily and say he could never do well with a good roster is warrantless - as feetontheair has pointed out.

Please don't confuse anyone's criticism of Nolan as a knock against the man personally, hardhat. Those who complain about him are complaining about what they think he is as a coach, not a husband, father, etc.

I've enjoyed your posting tonight, lots of well thought out stuff. I'm not a big fan of Nolan, but I agree with you when you say it's tough to judge him on this return stint to Buffalo. This team has 2 quality forwards (Ennis and Girgensons), a guy who needs stellar linemates (Moulson), and a bunch of poop rounding out the rest of the lineup (in the way of true talent). To fault Nolan heavily and say he could never do well with a good roster is warrantless - as feetontheair has pointed out.
- stashu

My point still stands. We've never seen him....in his entire coaching career...equipped with REAL talent...so we can't judge exactly how he meshes with real talent

EDIT: if we get McDavid...and Nolan goes 1-10 in the first 11 games of the season with Reinhart and McDavid in the lineup...we will get our answer...until then no one can be sure
- feetontheair22

My thoughts on Nolan: (A) he's lost this locker room, so he's done; (B) should we wonder whether there is a reason no GM of a genuinely talented team has ever hired Ted as head coach?

You just said 86 points 19 minutes ago, what happened??
- stashu

I have to be off on my math hold up sorry

Watching this episode now, thought I'd share

My thoughts on Nolan: (A) he's lost this locker room, so he's done; (B) should we wonder whether there is a reason no GM of a genuinely talented team has ever hired Ted as head coach?
- Der Kaiser

IMO i think he got the same leash TM asked for: 2 drafts (Nolan will get only a handful of games to prove he belongs)

And as far as "B" goes...yes..we should wonder *ominous music* lol

My thoughts on Nolan: (A) he's lost this locker room, so he's done; (B) should we wonder whether there is a reason no GM of a genuinely talented team has ever hired Ted as head coach?
- Der Kaiser

Poor Bryan Trottier.

He came out of retirement for this???

Don't know why everyone thinks Nolan is, or will be gone.

Poor Bryan Trottier.

He came out of retirement for this???
- grand-magus

He needs to go back into retirement.

Don't know why everyone thinks Nolan is, or will be gone.
- SABRES 89

My opinion is that he wasn't Murray's choice.

Don't know why everyone thinks Nolan is, or will be gone.
- SABRES 89

Because the hand he was dealt with isn't very good.

Poor Bryan Trottier.

He came out of retirement for this???
- grand-magus

What does he even do? Special Teams coach?

edit: Almost forgot I went to high-school with a member of the "coaching staff"...

My opinion is that he wasn't Murray's choice.
- grand-magus

They offered him a 3 year deal, he was there choice. If he didn't take it they would have went in another direction, Murray said he doesn't want anyone that doesn't want to be here he won't beg anyone.

Because the hand he was dealt with isn't very good.
- sippyd

something that was discussed and was made known before the 3 year deal was given.

Miller another SO................... imagine that.

He needs to go back into retirement.
- sippyd

Agree.