The flashes, and hope and potential. Whoopy (frank)ing doo.

I do hope he finds his way because the Flyers have stuck it through with him but damn. Don't tell me every guy takes 5 years to develop when kids hit the NHL and impact much sooner. He needs to find another niche or way to contribute, or send him down. Deep. Deep throat deep.
- flyer_nutter

I agree that some players make an impact sooner, but some also take considerable time. Look at Voracek for example. Schenn is not a player that you would consider sending down the AHL.

I'd be fine with either. Neither guy is really all that untouchable in my eyes.

*ducks the tomatoes*
- flyer_nutter

They're not untouchable. The only current roster players I consider untouchable are Giroux, Voracek and Mason.

These guys, like Martin, Boychuk, Ehrhoff and Green, are going to get long term deals. They will all be overpaid. Every team in the league is looking for puck moving defenseman.
- PhillySportsGuy

Guess I'm dreaming some on the topic.
I don't want Martin, too old, (especially or the term he may want).
I don't know if Boychuck improves us that much.
I think Ehrhoff stays in Pitt.

They're not untouchable. The only current roster players I consider untouchable are Giroux, Voracek and Mason.
- BiggE

And in the right deal, nobody's untouchable

They also don't have to move Streit or Coburn.

I'm not trading either at this TDL unless somebody gives me every inch and ounce of value for them. I'm not shopping them as much as listening to offers.

Neither has to be moved at this TDL. Both are signed next season. There's far worse things than having Streit and/or Coburn return next season.
- Jsaquella

I think this trade deadline could have a lot of crickets. Coburn, if its me anyway I keep long term. If his contract demands are insane trade him next year. As inconsistent as he is, he is still decent.

I am not sure you ever find a taker for Luke on his current contract, same goes for Happy Meal. So that leaves you with Grossmann, Schultz and MDZ. I'd be cool trading any of them. Up front? I don't know. I'd explore Read but don't see too many teams lining up for other forwards Flyers would be willing to deal.

I like Martin, he's a solid defenseman. What's the cost. I think we'd be looking at 6M for 5 years if not more.
- MJL

yes.

which is a tough deal to swallow.

but i do think that while it doesnt have the allure of having a guy like doughty or suter, and admittedly isnt as good, i really do think that martin and coburn could be a decent enough pairing.

They also don't have to move Streit or Coburn.

I'm not trading either at this TDL unless somebody gives me every inch and ounce of value for them. I'm not shopping them as much as listening to offers.

Neither has to be moved at this TDL. Both are signed next season. There's far worse things than having Streit and/or Coburn return next season.

I'm advocating smart moves that weigh the long term over the short. I'm not saying to have a fire sale where everything has to be gone.
- Jsaquella

Absolutely
If the right deal isnt there, keep em both and try to move Schultz or Grossmann

I agree that some players make an impact sooner, but some also take considerable time. Look at Voracek for example. Schenn is not a player that you would consider sending down the AHL.
- MJL

When I said deep throat BSchenn, I wasn't talking about the AHL.

And in the right deal, nobody's untouchable
- Jsaquella

True

Never underestimate somebody who feels desperate and thinks he'll help put them over the edge.
- ob18

Yep. Hes on the block. He'll bring a late 1st +. Sign me up. Teams I can think of in the running are (salary cap problems aside)


Boston
Chicago
Colorado
San jose

The thing about Streit's age is that there isn't the same "mileage" on him as other players his age, since he started in the league a little later. He doesnt play like a 37 year old. Who knows, that could change real fast, but he has showed little signs of slowing down. He has only had the one major injury to his shoulder, his wheels have always been good for the most part.
- MBFlyerfan

I agree with that, and I said basically the same thing earlier when a post was made that Streit might not be effective in two years time. I don't think it's about Streit possibly declining as a player, as much as it is about what kind of players teams are looking for at the deadline as a rental. That's why Hextall says he doesn't envision a fire sale at the deadline because they don't have the right kind of players. Teams are more likely to trade for players with term around the draft and into the off season, when they have a clearer picture of what their long term needs are, and they know the cap number.

They're not untouchable. The only current roster players I consider untouchable are Giroux, Voracek and Mason.
- BiggE

I don't know if its that russamano character haha, but I have no issues with dealing Couturier or Brayden.

Coots in particular, in a good deal. I don't have candy cane dreams that his defensive play cant be provided by someone like Laughton. In reality though, I keep the kid. That damn toothless grin always makes me like him.

Guess I'm dreaming some on the topic.
I don't want Martin, too old, (especially or the term he may want).
I don't know if Boychuck improves us that much.
I think Ehrhoff stays in Pitt.
- puckhead17

With FA, it's best to guess how much you think a player is worth, then add $1M and 1-2 years onto the deal.

Or you can go back and look at the deals signed last offseason. Be sure to tack on a little more for each player if the cap is going up.

When I said deep throat BSchenn, I wasn't talking about the AHL.
- flyer_nutter

Wasn't about the deep throat comment that made me think you advocated sending him down, it was the below statement.

" He needs to find another niche or way to contribute, or send him down"

They're not untouchable. The only current roster players I consider untouchable are Giroux, Voracek and Mason.
- BiggE

I'm a little concerned with Mason's durability. He's never played more than 61 games in a season.

I think this trade deadline could have a lot of crickets. Coburn, if its me anyway I keep long term. If his contract demands are insane trade him next year. As inconsistent as he is, he is still decent.

I am not sure you ever find a taker for Luke on his current contract, same goes for Happy Meal. So that leaves you with Grossmann, Schultz and MDZ. I'd be cool trading any of them. Up front? I don't know. I'd explore Read but don't see too many teams lining up for other forwards Flyers would be willing to deal.
- flyer_nutter

I wouldn't be surprised, which is why I say that next year could well see the Flyers struggle again. I'm not sure any of the guys with term left after July can be traded for value.

Emery? He might get you a 5th. Grossmann? Bryan Allen just went through waivers for free and there's 3 or 4 similar guys to Grossmann on expiring deals. I see teams finding them more attractive.

I'm sure that Schultz an MDZ would have some value at the TDL. i think that we have to watch and see what happens at this years TDL & draft AND next year's TDL and draft. Hextall might need that much time to really make an impact.

Guess I'm dreaming some on the topic.
I don't want Martin, too old, (especially or the term he may want).
I don't know if Boychuck improves us that much.
I think Ehrhoff stays in Pitt.
- puckhead17

For the right price, I think Boychuck definitely improves the Flyers.

I'm a little concerned with Mason's durability. He's never played more than 61 games in a season.
- PLindbergh31

If they trade Coburn, he'll take 10-15 fewer collisions per season

Wasn't about the deep throat comment that made me think you advocated sending him down, it was the below statement.

" He needs to find another niche or way to contribute, or send him down"
- MJL

Can we debate deep throating next?

For the right price, I think Boychuck definitely improves the Flyers.
- MJL

Not as much as Green, I don't think.

Guess I'm dreaming some on the topic.
I don't want Martin, too old, (especially or the term he may want).
I don't know if Boychuck improves us that much.
I think Ehrhoff stays in Pitt.
- puckhead17

Boychuk is a pretty solid dman. I think he's better than anyone the Flyers currently have. The Islanders are proving to be a contending team, with a ton of salary cap flexibility. Not sure why Boychuk would want to leave.

Absolutely
If the right deal isnt there, keep em both and try to move Schultz or Grossmann
- BiggE

agree. not trying to reignite the debate as to whether we should try to trade AMAC, but does anyone think his contract is COMPLETELY unmovable? Would the kings have interest?

I don't know if its that russamano character haha, but I have no issues with dealing Couturier or Brayden.

Coots in particular, in a good deal. I don't have candy cane dreams that his defensive play cant be provided by someone like Laughton. In reality though, I keep the kid. That damn toothless grin always makes me like him.
- flyer_nutter

A solid defensive checking center is not a difficult player to get. A solid defensive checking center that can also score, and put up 2nd line center numbers, is however a difficult player to find. I would only trade Couturier in a deal for a top pairing young defenseman. I would not trade him in any other deal.

For the right price, I think Boychuck definitely improves the Flyers.
- MJL

It's not going to be the right price. The Islanders gave up a lot to get him and he means a lot to that team. Expect an overpayment if you want any top 4 defenseman.

If they trade Coburn, he'll take 10-15 fewer collisions per season
- Jsaquella

True. Mason has played excellent for the Flyers. I just hope they can build a solid team around him. I think they can win with him.