Fine.

Kessel to SJ for Pavelski or Couture
- Champ

A nice hockey trade that could benefit both teams. Though I don't know if either team does it. I get the feeling each side would ask for more.

Although I still didn't see the purpose.

I don't think it's necessary.
- Champ

Pav has almost more value then kessel alone he plays center a more valued position is great on faceoffs one of the best right hand drawers in the league and he scored 40 goals last year. He's just turned 30 I think so that's his only downfall.

A nice hockey trade that could benefit both teams. Though I don't know if either team does it. I get the feeling each side would ask for more.

Although I still didn't see the purpose.
- Steven_Dean

Both teams need a change.

Both teams need a change.
- Champ

Don't see a player for player trade making the leafs a playoff team. Id rather a kessel to Nashville deal for say jones a prospect and a first or Arizona deal in the summer. Arizona needs to sell tickets and jerseys something kessel can do.

Don't see a player for player trade making the leafs a playoff team. Id rather a kessel to Nashville deal for say jones a prospect and a first or Arizona deal in the summer. Arizona needs to sell tickets and jerseys something kessel can do.
- jake24242

Nashville will not move Jones or picks. It not their MO. Arizona can make sense but you don't get enough value back.

Moving Kessel is just the start.

Nashville will not move Jones or picks. It not their MO. Arizona can make sense but you don't get enough value back.

Moving Kessel is just the start.
- Champ

Nashville has a new MO and wana win the cup while they have a goalie there window to win is small. I don't think we can swap other players like your kessel deal is the issue.

Giving Richards away for a prospect or a pick is all he n his contract are worth.

Phaneuf may not have a whole lot of value. But he at least has value. Richards does not

Phaneuf may not have a whole lot of value. But he at least has value. Richards does not
- Santo_44

He's worth more than Richards that's for sure. Maybe for Clarkson.

Are they? Their weakness is they don't have a #1 D.

And Kris Letang is bad defensively. He's not a top #1 at all.
- RogerRoeper

Anaheim is happy with their D. Murray feels that Fowler is a #1. Even if he isn't, they are pretty stacked in terms of depth. Fowler, Lovejoy, Beauchemin, Lindholm, Vatanen, Stoner, Fistric, Brewer, Robak, and even Manson have played good minutes this season. I don't think they are looking at Dion (Getzlaf says "NO!"), but if they were he wouldn't come in and take minutes from Fowler or Lindholm. He would probably slot in 2nd or 3rd pairing at Beauchemin or Stoner's spot. If he had a right handed shot things would be different tho.

Dion playing 19 minutes is a good thing, he plays way too many minutes... 4.5 mil 19 minute d man...

Nashville will not move Jones or picks. It not their MO. Arizona can make sense but you don't get enough value back.

Moving Kessel is just the start.
- Champ

Cause they never overpaid 1sts for Gaustad and Fisher right?

Kessel is going nowhere. Offensively, he's still a top 10 player in this league. Even if Nonuts wanted to / had the balls to trade him his value would be too low for any team to consider the steep package that the Leafs would want. Him and Bernier are the only untouchables imo

Good job poking the bear Jason. Just sit back and watch the page hit counter rise!

This is silly. Seriously, these things are not made up. Former retired Leafs have been saying that they will never win with Phaneuf and Kessel. These are former players that care about being a Leaf.
- Champ

who never played with either of them and are on outside looking in, same as everyone else.

LA would win this hands down. Richards sadly has negative value (meaning you would need to give up an asset just to get rid of him or take back another bad contract). Dion has some value- not much with that contract.

So I think it would make more sense as:

LA: Dion
TOR: Richards + LA 1st + $1-2M retained for Dion.

Salaries are a wash and LA gets the better player. TOR gets a building block that they desperately need. LA gets a good 2-3-4D at 5M-ish.

There is no point buying out anyone when you are rebuilding. Either the asset turns into something you can trade for anything or you wait him out and not have a cap penalty on your books for twice as long.

As for the deal there I would still pass. If we are going to be stuck with a bad contract regardless I would want a better piece coming back. There is no gain for the Leafs but a possible gain for the Kings. We don't have to be desperate since we will be terrible with or without Phaneuf.
- Steven_Dean

It was just a suggestion, i dont see the kings moving a guy like pearson or toffoli unless theyre getting someone in return who can fill that spot, or at least a little further down the roster and they can move someone up. Playoff teams normally dont trade roster players unless theyre getting roster players back.

Richards is instantly the best Center on the Leafs. Also I disagree with the blog that they aren't in need of centers. They desperately are.

Phaneuf in LA would actually be pretty good. He struggles here because he is a #2 at best trying to be a #1.

It would make sense, IMO

Clarkson for Richards

If you can get rid of phanny, i think you do it, no matter what comes back as long as its less money
- rferrone

so give up a 22 point, 23 min a night d-man for a 15 point 13 min a night forward to save a mil?

I'm thinking the kings would be sending back a first. Richards might not crack 30 pts this year and is signed for 5.75 times a bunch more years

so give up a 22 point, 23 min a night d-man for a 15 point 13 min a night forward to save a mil?

I'm thinking the kings would be sending back a first. Richards might not crack 30 pts this year and is signed for 5.75 times a bunch more years
- GardinerExpress

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2 less than Dion I think. Could be bought out if need be in 3 or 4.

Beside Kessel, he'd do much more than 30 points. Despite him not being the same player, he is still better than Bozak

A nice hockey trade that could benefit both teams. Though I don't know if either team does it. I get the feeling each side would ask for more.

Although I still didn't see the purpose.
- Steven_Dean

I honestly wouldn't mind this trade if it were just a swap of the 2 players. Do the contracts suck on both ends, YES. Could LA throw in a draft pick just to make it more enticing, possibly a 2nd only because id like to see what the Kings do with their 1st if it's not traded for a younger Dman

Richards is instantly the best Center on the Leafs. Also I disagree with the blog that they aren't in need of centers. They desperately are.

Phaneuf in LA would actually be pretty good. He struggles here because he is a #2 at best trying to be a #1.

It would make sense, IMO
- TheThrill

There is nothing that tells me Richards would become our best center. Maybe if he beat Stoll for the no.3 spot or if Richards had more value as a 2nd line winger than a 4th line center I would agree.

Richards could end up being our 3rd/4th line center.

I honestly wouldn't mind this trade if it were just a swap of the 2 players. Do the contracts suck on both ends, YES. Could LA throw in a draft pick just to make it more enticing, possibly. A 2nd would be pushing it but to so I'll throw in the 3rd. Will this trade happen, probably not.
- RobitailleFAN20

That comment was referring to a different deal. Check my first post on this thread to see my thoughts on the Phaneuf/Richards deal. In no way should Toronto trade a defenseman that is playing 20+ minutes for a center that could end up playing on the bottom 2 lines.

Unless Toronto considers Richards as a cap dump and we get a great asset or 2 there is no benefit for the Leafs.

That comment was referring to a different deal. Check my first post on this thread to see my thoughts on the Phaneuf/Richards deal. In no way should Toronto trade a defenseman that is playing 20+ minutes for a center that could end up playing on the bottom 2 lines.

Unless Toronto considers Richards as a cap dump and we get a great asset or 2 there is no benefit for the Leafs.
- Steven_Dean

My bad... I still wouldn't mind the trade though

LA would win this hands down. Richards sadly has negative value (meaning you would need to give up an asset just to get rid of him or take back another bad contract). Dion has some value- not much with that contract.

So I think it would make more sense as:

LA: Dion
TOR: Richards + LA 1st + $1-2M retained for Dion.

Salaries are a wash and LA gets the better player. TOR gets a building block that they desperately need. LA gets a good 2-3-4D at 5M-ish.
- coffee junkie

A 1st is not enough for me. Phaneuf can play top line minutes while Richards could end up on the bottom 6. Add the salary retained and this deal has no benefit at all. If we move for Richards then it is to free up the salary and get a great asset back or 2.

If that doesn't work for LA then I have no problem holding onto Phaneuf. Is LA ok with holding onto Richards when they are in need of defense?