That's usually only available if they have too many injuries at both levels that a dip into the junior prospects they have would be needed.
- ob18

Exactly, such as calling up an AHL player would leave the AHL team short players.

Hexy came in with the patience mantra and everyone from the suits on down to the fan base is seemingly on board.

I'm definitely OK with taking baby steps as long as there is a concrete plan in place and they don't waiver from it.
- 77rams

The thing that bothers me the most, is the sheer volume of bad contracts on board and how long it will be before they all clear out. That really limits the ability of the GM to maneuver.

My cherished fantasy right now is that Streit is scoring his way into being a desirable commodity at the TDL. Although, he isnt even the 10th worst thing wrong with the team right now, I really don't fancy hanging onto him the full length of his deal.

- Tomahawk

Easier keeping track of who isn't hurt. Flyers pool of 8 NHL dmen is down to 4.

Exactly, such as calling up an AHL player would leave the AHL team short players.
- MJL

But they aren't playing so that's not an issue. Could call one up & right after the game send them back down.

Would anybody else find it hypocritical if Hextall DIDN'T do anything at the trade deadline? I'm not saying go gang busters but to be down in the locker room tearing the team a new one awhile ago but standing idle wouldn't jive well with me.

I agree with those who say you don't make a move just for the sake of making one. But hell, if there is any truth to the rumor of the Kings interest in Grossmann, make the deal
- MatveiDmitrii

Not really...because it won't really matter. Anything before the draft is fine....

that's certainly not normal lol, he's been fantastic defensively and his effort level is tops on the team, but offensively he's a third line guy.
- Isles_since_6

are you guys happy with the coach?

I heard a lot of grumbling in the past but this year he has the horses

He has not been solid very much this year at all....one step forward two steps back...he is just so inconsistent ...it's frustrating...I thought he played very good when the deal was made...but those efforts are distant memory.
- landros 2

I think he was inconsistent to start the season, but from the middle of November on, he's played solid hockey in my opinion.

But they aren't playing so that's not an issue. Could call one up & right after the game send them back down.
- ob18

Right, which is why twice I posted that the Phantoms don't play until Wednesday.

Haven't watched enough Isles games. Like you said, don't judge by today's game.
- MJL

if you are using stats though, the isles have allowed 2.78 ga 5 on 5 per game, where the flyers are 2.96. Add in 11 games from Johnson and only 2 good ones (3.50 gaa roughly) and a save % under 875 and that's a big factor.

Would be interesting to see if they take Jake off G's wing now that they are almost certainly out of the playoff picture. See how he handles himself on another line before forking over big time money.
- hereticpride

Man, I already know. Voracek made McGinn-Schenn-Voracek a shot-generating machine, and when Jagr was here, he played with Couturier for a stretch and I tho Couturier was gonna score a billion goals

In other words: Pay that man his money

Right, which is why twice I posted that the Phantoms don't play until Wednesday.
- MJL

I already said as he was going off the ice Manning would meet the team in Philly.........Just calling it early

The thing that bothers me the most, is the sheer volume of bad contracts on board and how long it will be before they all clear out. That really limits the ability of the GM to maneuver.

My cherished fantasy right now is that Streit is scoring his way into being a desirable commodity at the TDL. Although, he isnt even the 10th worst thing wrong with the team right now, I really don't fancy hanging onto him the full length of his deal.
- Doc_Sarcasm

Streit, Coburn, even guys like Grossmann and Schultz will have some trade value.

Streit and Coburn hopefully a lot of value if they go that route.

Problem is it turns into a full EDM rebuild because who are you going to replace them with? Especially Streit.

The thing that bothers me the most, is the sheer volume of bad contracts on board and how long it will be before they all clear out. That really limits the ability of the GM to maneuver.

My cherished fantasy right now is that Streit is scoring his way into being a desirable commodity at the TDL. Although, he isnt even the 10th worst thing wrong with the team right now, I really don't fancy hanging onto him the full length of his deal.
- Doc_Sarcasm

Flyers have to move him if they get a decent offer like a 1st and a B prospect

I've seen one Isles poster say he wanted amac on the team.

that said, we have our new whipping boy in Brian Strait, who has been overall, god awful in the games he has played. Visnovsky not staying healthy is a concern.
- Isles_since_6

No question that he's a serviceable defenseman. It's the contract, both dollars and years that get most here to rag on him.

If he came in at 3.5 - 4 mil and at 4 years, there probably wouldn't be as much complaining. Still some, but not as much.

Flyers have to move him if they get a decent offer like a 1st and a B prospect
- Just5

I would be ecstatic if they got that in return. I just don't see it happening.

I think he was inconsistent to start the season, but from the middle of November on, he's played solid hockey in my opinion.
- MJL

I think he did have a few games where he showed more....but since Xmas he's been up and down like a toilet seat....bottom line is he doesn't play like one of the highest paid players...not by a long shot.

if you are using stats though, the isles have allowed 2.78 ga 5 on 5 per game, where the flyers are 2.96. Add in 11 games from Johnson and only 2 good ones (3.50 gaa roughly) and a save % under 875 and that's a big factor.
- Isles_since_6

That number is total goals, including PK, ES, and Shorthanded. The Flyers have given up 79 5 on 5 goals, to rank 14th in the League. The Isles have given up 85 ES goals to rank 20th. The Flyers have played 47 games, the Isles 46. The Isles PK% is also poor same as the Flyers. Those defensive numbers aren't a good sign for a team to make a run at the Cup. It's a new season once the playoffs start, so if they can clean that up and get strong goaltending, the Isles could have a shot.

Streit, Coburn, even guys like Grossmann and Schultz will have some trade value.

Streit and Coburn hopefully a lot of value if they go that route.

Problem is it turns into a full EDM rebuild because who are you going to replace them with? Especially Streit.
- Marc D

Mike Green, Sekera. There are options to overpay for. But I'd rather overpay for those guys if it gets us a 1st and a prospect also

Streit, Coburn, even guys like Grossmann and Schultz will have some trade value.

Streit and Coburn hopefully a lot of value if they go that route.

Problem is it turns into a full EDM rebuild because who are you going to replace them with? Especially Streit.
- Marc D

If its going to be a full rebuild, you pick up replacement level D-men. I think someone (MJL maybe?) pointed out that Bryan Allen was waived the other day. This is what you are going to have to settle for until the kids are ready.

No question that he's a serviceable defenseman. It's the contract, both dollars and years that get most here to rag on him.

If he came in at 3.5 - 4 mil and at 4 years, there probably wouldn't be as much complaining. Still some, but not as much.
- 77rams

That's apparently what he turned down from snow before the trade and isles fans may have lost their minds if he'd agreed and signed it.

Flyers have to move him if they get a decent offer like a 1st and a B prospect
- Just5

I understand your words, but man, I just think it's bad form to move guys who are playing to their contract. Streit has been damn good as a Flyer and he just isn't part of the problem

I think he did have a few games where he showed more....but since Xmas he's been up and down like a toilet seat....bottom line is he doesn't play like one of the highest paid players...not by a long shot.
- landros 2

Before today's game, the Flyers had given up 62 goals against since December 1. MacDonald was only on the ice for 12 of those goals against, and he was at fault for less then half of those 12 goals scored against. he's been defending well, moving the puck well. The only complaint I have, is I want him to be more aggressive offensively and use his skating to move up on the play, and fill holes the way Del Zotto has been doing lately.

That number is total goals, including PK, ES, and Shorthanded. The Flyers have given up 79 5 on 5 goals, to rank 14th in the League. The Isles have given up 85 ES goals to rank 20th. The Flyers have played 47 games, the Isles 46. The Isles PK% is also poor same as the Flyers. Those defensive numbers aren't a good sign for a team to make a run at the Cup. It's a new season once the playoffs start, so if they can clean that up and get strong goaltending, the Isles could have a shot.
- MJL

Our PK isn't likely to get a lot better, but Johnson has allowed over 1/3 of those goals in just 11 games.

If its going to be a full rebuild, you pick up replacement level D-men. I think someone (MJL maybe?) pointed out that Bryan Allen was waived the other day. This is what you are going to have to settle for until the kids are ready.
- Doc_Sarcasm

That was Jsaq's point.

I understand your words, but man, I just think it's bad form to move guys who are playing to their contract. Streit has been damn good as a Flyer and he just isn't part of the problem
- AllInForFlyers

You're dismissing the idea that the guy wouldn't want to go to a contender for a shot at a cup. We know for sure it ain't happening here for another 4 years minimally.