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- HopintheCordoba

yeah. that one doesnt look nearly as bad. when i was watching it in full motion, it appeared the initial point of contact was lower.

If the NHL wants to goon and rat play, it must force the refs to enforce the rulebook, impose draconian fines on the players, coaches, GMs, team presidents and teams. Would, say, the Flyers have Rinaldo on the team if his 'play' resulted in fines and lost draft picks? Would the Flyers keep Rinaldo if his hit to Letang resulted in the Flyers forfeiting its First Round pick which the NHL would then assign to the Pens? I believe the answers to these questions are obvious.
- szielinski

Those kinds of rules (trading draft picks for injuries) would lead to teams having players "injured" far too often. Heck, every team that played Edmonton towards the tail end of the season would have every player "injured" in the game.

I think the best way is to have the suspended player's roster spot vacated for the duration of the suspension (i.e. you get 5 games, your team plays with 19 players for the next 5 games). That way, the team suffers as a whole, not just the player.

If the NHL wants to supress goon and rat play, it must force the refs to enforce the rulebook, impose draconian fines on the players, coaches, GMs, team presidents and teams. Would, say, the Flyers have Rinaldo on the team if his 'play' resulted in fines and lost draft picks? Would the Flyers keep Rinaldo if his hit to Letang resulted in the Flyers forfeiting its First Round pick which the NHL would then assign to the Pens? I believe the answers to these questions are obvious.
- szielinski

This reminds me of 'Leafs should get draft picks from the Coyotes because they financially support them' stuff.

Talbo has balls. That's what the Penguins hitched their wagon to. He had the balls to shush the Philly crowd after losing a fight, down in the game. Something happened to the Penguins right after that where they at least stopped finding ways to lose games.
- Johnny Wrath

Bingo. He also had irrational confidence. Played downright cocky in big games.

We miss having a guy like that.

Those kinds of rules (trading draft picks for injuries) would lead to teams having players "injured" far too often. Heck, every team that played Edmonton towards the tail end of the season would have every player "injured" in the game.

I think the best way is to have the suspended player's roster spot vacated for the duration of the suspension (i.e. you get 5 games, your team plays with 19 players for the next 5 games). That way, the team suffers as a whole, not just the player.
- jmatchett383

I agree with, but that would be a non-starter for the NHLPA.

This reminds me of 'Leafs should get draft picks from the Coyotes because they financially support them' stuff.
- Johnny Wrath

Yeah, you can't redistribute a team's draft picks based on things outside of trades. And what do you do if a team injures multiple players over the course of a season? Split the draft pick into fractions, and you each get the player for that fraction of the season?

Crazy? yes, Over the top? yes, Bias? absolutely, but my posts always get their point across in a very coherent way.

I do come into your thread when its appropriate, I don't deny that one bit. You pop up every other day to tell us we are hypocrites.
- nbartley9

Gross exaggeration which is par for the course with you. This blog lent itself to that description. Btw, im not the only one saying it. Again, not directed at everyone on here just you

Kerry Fraser thinks 6 games for Rinaldo, using the recent Carcillo thing as precedent.

I agree with, but that would be a non-starter for the NHLPA.
- rival22

Okay, think about it this way:

The offending team must have an active roster consisting of the minimum of healthy roster players (not including the suspended player) but may only dress 17 skaters and 2 goalies.

That way, the replacement player (most likely one a2-way deal) is on the NHL roster so he's making his NHL money. He just doesn't play in the games.

Better?

Kerry Fraser thinks 6 games for Rinaldo, using the recent Carcillo thing as precedent.
- Johnny Wrath

How about 110? Please...

Yeah, you can't redistribute a team's draft picks based on things outside of trades. And what do you do if a team injures multiple players over the course of a season? Split the draft pick into fractions, and you each get the player for that fraction of the season?
- jmatchett383

At that point I think the very familiar 'well, what would happen if the players from Ontario played at home?!!???' kind of statement.

I actually didn't think the Rinaldo hit was all that bad. Did he hit him from behind? Yeah. Did he catch Letang in a vulnerable position? Yeah. Did he know he was gonna jack him up? For sure. Did he totally run him? No.

Its sad to say but I've seen that dude do way worse than that.

I thought the MDZ hit was way worse. Blatant flying elbow. But, since its not Rinaldo, its flying under the radar.

Pens used to handle this crap by scoring goal after goal on the PP. Not so much anymore.

Also, it looked to me like our skill guys were just trying to survive the game. So mission accomplished from the Flyers standpoint.

Kerry Fraser thinks 6 games for Rinaldo, using the recent Carcillo thing as precedent.
- Johnny Wrath

That'll show em!

I actually didn't think the Rinaldo hit was all that bad. Did he hit him from behind? Yeah. Did he catch Letang in a vulnerable position? Yeah. Did he know he was gonna jack him up? For sure. Did he totally run him? No.

Its sad to say but I've seen that dude do way worse than that.

I thought the MDZ hit was way worse. Blatant flying elbow. But, since its not Rinaldo, its flying under the radar.

Pens used to handle this crap by scoring goal after goal on the PP. Not so much anymore.

Also, it looked to me like our skill guys were just trying to survive the game. So mission accomplished from the Flyers standpoint.
- 87_71_11_29

The bigger thing was that MDZ's hit didn't cause an injury, and Rinaldo's did. You know the NHL rules by result, not intent.

That'll show em!
- 87_71_11_29

This time he'll learn... this time...

This time he'll learn... this time...
- rival22

I can't speak for all Flyers fans, but I will boo him every time he touches the puck for the rest of his tenure as a Flyer. We don't need players like him.

Gross exaggeration which is par for the course with you. This blog lent itself to that description. Btw, im not the only one saying it. Again, not directed at everyone on here just you
- Cptmjl

This makes me curious..

I can't speak for all Flyers fans, but I will boo him every time he touches the puck for the rest of his tenure as a Flyer. We don't need players like him.
- jmatchett383

When was the last time he did this and hurt somebody? He plays on the edge and it happens. I think leaving his feet was the only bad part of the hit. From behind a bit. But cmon , players on every team do this once in a awhile, even the stars.

When was the last time he did this and hurt somebody? He plays on the edge and it happens. I think leaving his feet was the only bad part of the hit. From behind a bit. But cmon , players on every team do this once in a awhile, even the stars.
- jmdodgeser4

Last season, they were up 4-0 on Buffalo. Some poor kid (playing in like his 3rd game) took a shot, and Rinaldo sent a flying elbow at him and knocked him out. The game was basically over (in fact, Rinaldo had scored a goal), and it was a pointless, stupid hit.

He's too much of a liability for his limited skillset.

When was the last time he did this and hurt somebody? He plays on the edge and it happens. I think leaving his feet was the only bad part of the hit. From behind a bit. But cmon , players on every team do this once in a awhile, even the stars.
- jmdodgeser4

I mean, besides being from a charge, from behind and high, it was a good hit...

I actually didn't think the Rinaldo hit was all that bad. Did he hit him from behind? Yeah. Did he catch Letang in a vulnerable position? Yeah. Did he know he was gonna jack him up? For sure. Did he totally run him? No.

Its sad to say but I've seen that dude do way worse than that.

I thought the MDZ hit was way worse. Blatant flying elbow. But, since its not Rinaldo, its flying under the radar.

Pens used to handle this crap by scoring goal after goal on the PP. Not so much anymore.

Also, it looked to me like our skill guys were just trying to survive the game. So mission accomplished from the Flyers standpoint.
- 87_71_11_29

I intended to make this point earlier; I don't think the Flyers would rather take a run at Bortuzzo than secure 2 points. It's a great risk-reward by the Flyers to do disgraceful things to gain advantage in games because the Penguins skate to the outside and take perimeter shots on the PP.

Last season, they were up 4-0 on Buffalo. Some poor kid (playing in like his 3rd game) took a shot, and Rinaldo sent a flying elbow at him and knocked him out. The game was basically over (in fact, Rinaldo had scored a goal), and it was a pointless, stupid hit.

He's too much of a liability for his limited skillset.
- jmatchett383

What about james neil? He surely isnt innocent. He sets out and actually tries to injure. Just trying to make an example. I think everybody is just over doing this

Anyone know the playing status for Letang? Or Simon Depres?

What about james neil? He surely isnt innocent. He sets out and actually tries to injure. Just trying to make an example. I think everybody is just over doing this
- jmdodgeser4

Jmes Neal should have gotten about 50 games worth so far in his career.

But James Neal, and even Matt Cooke, were decent hockey players. They could actually contribute in other, impactful ways. Rinaldo can't. That shouldn't matter in his suspension, but it should in a team's willingness to employ him to play hockey.

Jmes Neal should have gotten about 50 games worth so far in his career.

But James Neal, and even Matt Cooke, were decent hockey players. They could actually contribute in other, impactful ways. Rinaldo can't. That shouldn't matter in his suspension, but it should in a team's willingness to employ him to play hockey.
- jmatchett383

Thats my point. I would much rather have players like rinaldo that play at full speed with emotion and play on the edge then players who actually try to injure. I dont care if they score 50 goals a year.