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Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 22 @ 2:14 PM ET
I object to this witness being called at this time. We've been given no prior notice he'd testify. No discovery of any tests he's conducted or reports he's prepared. And as the court is aware, the defense is entitled to advance notice of any witness who will testify, particularly to those who will give scientific evidence, so that we can properly prepare for cross-examination, as well as to give the defense an opportunity to have the witness's reports reviewed by a defense expert, who might then be in a position to contradict the veracity of his conclusions.
- jmatchett383


Fantastic movie
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jan 22 @ 2:14 PM ET
Sometimes the court needs a reminder.
- jmatchett383


from my very limited experience, people in this field do not like being reminded of things they need a reminder of.
Johnny Wrath
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Draft more Swedes, CA
Joined: 01.09.2009

Jan 22 @ 2:14 PM ET
They have a fairly good vottom-6, which was what cost them in 12/13. Their defense is the best it's been in years, probably on par with 08/09. MAF finally remembered how to play in April.

The only thing holding them back is injuries, especially the one to Maata.

- jmatchett383

Team checking. Team play actually. Shift by shift the scoring is done largely by individual plays on the rush by one of three or four really stellar players. The Pens are a really terrible even strength team. Not having Tanner Glass helps.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Jan 22 @ 2:15 PM ET
Ehrhoff and Paul Martin are pretty good, very underrated I think.

Adding Perron was big.

Losing Maatta hurts though.

Dupuis is done.

- Marc D

I loved it when B.Schenn smoked him in the 2012 playoffs.

Oh and Asham (Penguin) crosschecks him in the throat and back of the head....but the Flyers are dirty goons, so.....
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jan 22 @ 2:18 PM ET
if it's aware of that, don't say it. move on. time is money.
- wilsonecho91


Professor Brevity.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jan 22 @ 2:19 PM ET
I loved it when B.Schenn smoked him in the 2012 playoffs.

Oh and Asham (Penguin) crosschecks him in the throat and back of the head....but the Flyers are dirty goons, so.....

- GOA88


asham himself was pretty goonish. and i think he played for every team in the old division but maybe one.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Jan 22 @ 2:22 PM ET
asham himself was pretty goonish. and i think he played for every team in the old division but maybe one.
- stayinthefnnet

Just saying that before all of you're fellow Pens fans start calling for Rinaldo and the Flyers organization to be crucified, they should look at what their organization and its players do. Cry me a river.
Johnny Wrath
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Draft more Swedes, CA
Joined: 01.09.2009

Jan 22 @ 2:22 PM ET
Rinaldo can go long stretches where he's effective (as much as he can be) where he gets in on the forecheck, makes a few big hits, and plays a more or less adequate fundamental game.

But when you factor in the needless penalties he takes and the fact that he strays from the "clean" aspect with some of his hits, his level of skill is not worth his liability.

- jmatchett383

The league did a fairly tidy job of making enforcers irrelevant. Whether it was PR or not, it's for the better. Fighting is stupid but not as stupid as having a bottom six on each roster who doesn't care about player safety as some kind of spark plug.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 22 @ 2:23 PM ET
asham himself was pretty goonish. and i think he played for every team in the old division but maybe one.
- stayinthefnnet


Exactly, there's not a team in the old Patrick/new Metro that never employed a goon or thugs. Where I get bugged is not when somebody chimes in that the Flyers have had plenty of guys that played nasty, dirty hockey, but when they act as if their team is above reproach.

Penguins, Flyers, Devils, Rangers, Isles, Caps...all have dirty hands in this area. It the jack offs that seem to think Dejan Kovacevic is gospel that fail to realize this.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Jan 22 @ 2:23 PM ET
Sometimes the court needs a reminder.
- jmatchett383


perhaps Judge Wapner, but not many others.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jan 22 @ 2:23 PM ET
Holmer was the Ryan howard of traders
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Jan 22 @ 2:24 PM ET
from my very limited experience, people in this field do not like being reminded of things they need a reminder of.
- stayinthefnnet


nor wasting time.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 22 @ 2:24 PM ET
The league did a fairly tidy job of making enforcers irrelevant. Whether it was PR or not, it's for the better. Fighting is stupid but not as stupid as having a bottom six on each roster who doesn't care about player safety as some kind of spark plug.
- Johnny Wrath


Idiots like Rinaldo need to be slammed hard by the league. No more 6 game suspensions, when you've had 8 previous suspensions. At some point the league and PA need to get together and say this is enough, guys like Carcillo lose the privilege of playing in the NHL.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Jan 22 @ 2:25 PM ET
The league did a fairly tidy job of making enforcers irrelevant. Whether it was PR or not, it's for the better. Fighting is stupid but not as stupid as having a bottom six on each roster who doesn't care about player safety as some kind of spark plug.
- Johnny Wrath

Its a part of hockey and always has been. If there are two willing combatants than it's great, entertaining and holds its place in keeping players accountable for their actions on the ice. Boxing is stupid.......because they fight.

Intentional head shot artists like Stevens. I have no respect for.

The Matt Cookes of the league, have no place in any sport.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jan 22 @ 2:26 PM ET
I don't think it's a matter of controlling himself. It's a matter of if he can play hockey well enough on an NHL level. He clearly can't.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Jan 22 @ 2:27 PM ET
Idiots like Rinaldo need to be slammed hard by the league. No more 6 game suspensions, when you've had 8 previous suspensions. At some point the league and PA need to get together and say this is enough, guys like Carcillo lose the privilege of playing in the NHL.
- Jsaquella


he'd be welcomed in that Quebec fighting league i'm sure.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jan 22 @ 2:28 PM ET
I don't think it's a matter of controlling himself. It's a matter of if he can play hockey well enough on an NHL level. He clearly can't.
- Just5


You would have said the same about Roussel when Dallas first called him up from the Texas Stars. But he's made himself into a player, and Rinaldo has just about the same raw materials and work ethic. Just have to question whether Rinaldo has the gray matter.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jan 22 @ 2:30 PM ET
Idiots like Rinaldo need to be slammed hard by the league. No more 6 game suspensions, when you've had 8 previous suspensions. At some point the league and PA need to get together and say this is enough, guys like Carcillo lose the privilege of playing in the NHL.
- Jsaquella


The NHL should really just start handing out ridiculous suspensions. I wouldn't be mad at 20 games for Rinaldo.

This poop would end if they penalized players accurately. The dumbass rule about getting fewer games if the guy isn't hurt is dumb too.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Jan 22 @ 2:31 PM ET
The NHL should really just start handing out ridiculous suspensions. I wouldn't be mad at 20 games for Rinaldo.

This poop would end if they penalized players accurately. The dumbass rule about getting fewer games it the guy isn't hurt is dumb too.

- PhillySportsGuy

Yea, that shouldnt matter at all. Chances are if the player wasnt hurt, hes lucky.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 22 @ 2:32 PM ET
You would have said the same about Roussel when Dallas first called him up from the Texas Stars. But he's made himself into a player, and Rinaldo has just about the same raw materials and work ethic. Just have to question whether Rinaldo has the gray matter.
- bmeltzer


He's got the raw tools, and I've seen him make some nifty plays in NHL games. His skating is very good.

He's just never produced at any level, he runs around too much when he's called on to play defense. It's not just when it comes to reckless hits that he's got discipline issues, he can't stick within the system for an extended period, either.

That's why I hated him on the PK. Far too easy to get him running around and out of position.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 22 @ 2:32 PM ET
The NHL should really just start handing out ridiculous suspensions. I wouldn't be mad at 20 games for Rinaldo.

This poop would end if they penalized players accurately. The dumbass rule about getting fewer games if the guy isn't hurt is dumb too.

- PhillySportsGuy


Agreed. I'd love to see him get hit with 20-25 even.

I think he gets 6-8 tops.
znagle
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: OH
Joined: 10.02.2014

Jan 22 @ 2:33 PM ET
The NHL should really just start handing out ridiculous suspensions. I wouldn't be mad at 20 games for Rinaldo.

This poop would end if they penalized players accurately. The dumbass rule about getting fewer games if the guy isn't hurt is dumb too.

- PhillySportsGuy


Agreed, the NHL needs to take the MLB steroid suspension type length
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 22 @ 2:33 PM ET
he'd be welcomed in that Quebec fighting league i'm sure.
- wilsonecho91


Dan Carcillo, NAHL All Star, leading scorer and 7Up spokesman for the greater Quebec area
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jan 22 @ 2:33 PM ET
You would have said the same about Roussel when Dallas first called him up from the Texas Stars. But he's made himself into a player, and Rinaldo has just about the same raw materials and work ethic. Just have to question whether Rinaldo has the gray matter.
- bmeltzer


He's had enough time to prove otherwise. He's just not an NHL player.
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jan 22 @ 2:34 PM ET
The NHL should really just start handing out ridiculous suspensions. I wouldn't be mad at 20 games for Rinaldo.

This poop would end if they penalized players accurately. The dumbass rule about getting fewer games if the guy isn't hurt is dumb too.

- PhillySportsGuy

I'd be ok if they tacked on the number of times you've been suspended to games. So this would be a 3 game suspension but you've been suspended twice before so it's 5 (or more) games. Eventually repeat offendors wouldn't be able to find a contract in the NHL because one suspendable act and you'd be sitting half the season. Of course the NHLPA wouldn't buy into something like that.
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