It's not like the league's $73M number is based off anything more than a snippet either (a month or so of the season)... unless they've got Miss Cleo in their accounting dept.

That number could end up being less than expected.
- Tomahawk

It sure could, just as I alluded to in my last post when I stated that the Cap for the current season was projected to be higher then the 69M it turned out to be. Even it only goes up to 71M, that is still a rise of 2M.

Even it only goes up to 71M, that is still a rise of 2M.
- MJL

Inflator is the real wild card. If the revenue projections spook them, it's almost a cap retraction for the very first time no matter what happens.

Inflator is the real wild card. If the revenue projections spook them, it's almost a cap retraction for the very first time no matter what happens.
- Tomahawk

They aren't going to kick in the inflator due to being spooked by revenue projections. One thing to remember, if they vote against the Inflator, that means less money spent on players.

So let's look at a hypothetical. The Flyers trade Luke Schenn for a draft pick, and buyout RJ Umberger. That gains the Flyers 6.6M in cap space. Hypothetically the cap goes up to 71M. The Flyers then have 8.6M to work with. There are also other moves the Flyers could make, but we'll just stick to that.

Now lets bring into the conversation the philosophy of how you want the Flyers to operate. You've posted countless times, that you want the Flyers to stay away from bad long term deals, and remain patient and build through the draft. You've also stated many, many times how there are always bargain signings to be had every year, for players comparable to players the Flyers already have. So I'll ask you what the problem is? Where is the fire at?

Everyone on the team is signed for next season, except for Schultz, Del Zotto, Bellermare, Vandevelde, and who ever is going to be the back up goalie. I don't expect Emery back, Zepp could possibly be the backup next season, so I think there are some minimal cap savings there. As far as the defense, there's going to be moves made there. At least one defenseman that is signed for next season is going to be traded at some point. So there's cap space to be gained there. Also have the possibility of a buyout of a player. So while the Flyers aren't going to be sitting with a boatload of cap space to use, but they have some ways to create some needed cap space. Every year it's the same thing, cap panic.

As a hypothetical, the Flyers trade Luke Schenn, buyout RJ Umberger, that leaves them with 6.6M of gained cap space. Now add in however much the cap goes up!
- MJL

that'll leave you enough money to sign macdonald to another extension

that'll leave you enough money to sign macdonald to another extension
- Isles_since_6

Already signed to a long term deal, and happy about it.

They aren't going to kick in the inflator due to being spooked by revenue projections. One thing to remember, if they vote against the Inflator, that means less money spent on players.
- MJL

They also don't want new player salaries coming out of escrow, aka players paying players.

Where is the fire at?
- MJL

No idea. Just makes life harder. Nobody said the Flyers were screwed.

They also don't want new player salaries coming out of escrow, aka players paying players.




No idea. Just makes life harder. Nobody said the Flyers were screwed.
- Tomahawk

There is always going to be escrow to ensure the split. New player salaries come out of HRR, not escrow. The cap does what it is supposed to do, which is limit spending on players. Flyers will have the same amount of money to spend on players as every other team has, even more if they continue to use LTIR.

No idea what that means.
- MJL

That there is no ethical reason any of these guys should be paid as much as they are, players/owners.

Yet we are talking about the cap going up every year and even more money going into making gold toilet seats.

That there is no ethical reason any of these guys should be paid as much as they are, players/owners.

Yet we are talking about the cap going up every year and even more money going into making gold toilet seats.
- flyer_nutter

The Cap is based on revenue that the League makes. Revenue goes up, the cap goes up. If I felt so strongly about the ethics of how much players are paid, and owners make, I'd stop watching the sport.

The Cap is based on revenue that the League makes. Revenue goes up, the cap goes up. If I felt so strongly about the ethics of how much players are paid, and owners make, I'd stop watching the sport.
- MJL

Or not support it by subscribing to tv packages or buying merchandise. Bootleg games off the web, enjoy it the game of hockey that way. Played at the highest level.

Not a Soccer fan, but this is hysterical.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2...goalie-penalty-shots-face

Or not support it by subscribing to tv packages or buying merchandise. Bootleg games off the web, enjoy it the game of hockey that way. Played at the highest level.
- flyer_nutter

You never, ever watch an NHL game on TV? Have an ethical issue with the money that players and owners make, but no ethical issues over watching bootleg games off the web?
Players and Owners aren't stealing anything or doing anything illegal by making that money.

You never, ever watch an NHL game on TV? Have an ethical issue with the money that players and owners make, but no ethical issues over watching bootleg games off the web?
Players and Owners aren't stealing anything or doing anything illegal by making that money.
- MJL

I have Netflix only, don't pay for cable or satellite. What ethical issues are there using free streams for games?

I have Netflix only, don't pay for cable or satellite. What ethical issues are there using free streams for games?
- flyer_nutter

You clearly posted bootleg games off the web, not free streams for games. You haven't watched a single game on TV this year?

You clearly posted bootleg games off the web, not free streams for games. You haven't watched a single game on TV this year?
- MJL

Bootleg games and free streams are they same thing no?

I made the switch to no cable in sept. Purely online streams since, which was 90% of my viewership previously other than the occasional televised Flyer game on cbc or tsn.

The point here being you aren't going to get much ethical sympathy from me and not giving much money to an over commercialized way to showcase the sport when those involved are paid ludicrous amounts to begin with, getting raises every year.

anyone got link?

Bootleg games and free streams are they same thing no?

I made the switch to no cable in sept. Purely online streams since, which was 90% of my viewership previously other than the occasional televised Flyer game on cbc or tsn.

The point here being you aren't going to get much ethical sympathy from me and not giving much money to an over commercialized way to showcase the sport when those involved are paid ludicrous amounts to begin with, getting raises every year.
- flyer_nutter

Bootleg games are illegal, Free streams that are approved by the League are not illegal. My point didn't have anything to do with ethical sympathy, but was about hypocrisy.

Anyone else think I that Sid is "injured" because he'd rather not get picked after G? Total puss move that I think he is totally capable of. Just sayin. Either that or he has a yeast infection.

Bootleg games are illegal, Free streams that are approved by the League are not illegal. My point didn't have anything to do with ethical sympathy, but was about hypocrisy.
- MJL

Ahhh. Im pretty sure the free streams I use, under US law would probably be thought of as "illegal", sites like myp2p, adthe, wiziwig. The big wigs attempt to shut them down but new mirrors continuously pop up.

Similar to piratebay, or torrent sites. The hypocrisy is subjective I suppose, again, I could give a rats ass about not spending my money contributing to a bunch of overpaid rich boys. They entertain me, and you but the money they are paid is ridiculous.

Hence back to the original point, the cap continuously going up. They should be getting less, not more, from an ethical point of view looking at society as a whole. Either way, we can discuss on the next lock out.

Anyone else think I that Sid is "injured" because he'd rather not get picked after G? Total puss move that I think he is totally capable of. Just sayin. Either that or he has a yeast infection.
- section32

I don't know what the deal is, but he played 20 minutes + a game in the last two games and now he's injured and can't play in the All Star game.

I don't know what the deal is, but he played 20 minutes + a game in the last two games and now he's injured and can't play in the All Star game.
- MJL

Only 1 in his whole career I believe. Him and Malkin both out. I kind of side with Ek that they should be willing to give back to the sport that gave them the gorgeous life they are able to live. Even if the all star game is a bit of a joke.

Cant really say a guy isn't injured though. Who knows.

Ahhh. Im pretty sure the free streams I use, under US law would probably be thought of as "illegal", sites like myp2p, adthe, wiziwig. The big wigs attempt to shut them down but new mirrors continuously pop up.

Similar to piratebay, or torrent sites. The hypocrisy is subjective I suppose, again, I could give a rats ass about not spending my money contributing to a bunch of overpaid rich boys. They entertain me, and you but the money they are paid is ridiculous.

Hence back to the original point, the cap continuously going up. They should be getting less, not more, from an ethical point of view looking at society as a whole. Either way, we can discuss on the next lock out.
- flyer_nutter

If the streams are illegal, then the hypocrisy really isn't subjective. The ethical point of view that they should be getting less, not more, is what is subjective. They're paid what they're paid because they generate the revenue that they do. Nothing unethical about that. Again, if I had that much of an ethical problem with the money made by the NHL, I'd stand by my convictions and not watch them on any medium, legal or illegal, but that's just me.

If the streams are illegal, then the hypocrisy really isn't subjective. The ethical point of view that they should be getting less, not more, is what is subjective. They're paid what they're paid because they generate the revenue that they do. Nothing unethical about that. Again, if I had that much of an ethical problem with the money made by the NHL, I'd stand by my convictions and not watch them on any medium, legal or illegal, but that's just me.
- MJL

I suppose if you believe everything illegal is bad, and everything legal is good. Very sheep like imo but meh.

Edit: As for not watching the sport at all, there is no need to punish myself so to speak. The way for change isn't to stand up and run away from the sandbox. You will however continue to see the numbers grow of people taking my route. Free online streams.

I suppose if you believe everything illegal is bad, and everything legal is good. Very sheep like imo but meh.

Edit: As for not watching the sport at all, there is no need to punish myself so to speak. The way for change isn't to stand up and run away from the sandbox. You will however continue to see the numbers grow of people taking my route. Free online streams.
- flyer_nutter

I don't get to decide what is legal or illegal. I just find it interesting that Hockey players who are paid what they are paid, because of the skill that they possess, and the money the generate for the League, are unethical because of the money they make. Watching illegal streams on TV, not that I have a personal problem with that, is not unethical. Certainly watching NHL games on illegal streams is not a way to create change. Criticize the players for the money they make, while watching the product they create.