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Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 23 @ 10:34 AM ET
That's the most logical thing to do. Let the goalie do his job, don't do it for him kinda thing. Block the shot when it's the best option, not just try to block for the sake of blocking.
- NickTheKid87


Staying on your feet not only helps you recover quicker defensively, but also means you're in better position to recover the puck and transition it, too.

Coaches like Babcock, Sutter, Q have been preaching that poop for years.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 10:35 AM ET
I doubt Hextall would take the GM gig if Holmgren had power of any consequence whatsoever.
- johndewar



I don't agree again. The GM is in the Hockey operations department. Holmgren is the Team President and took over for Peter Luukko. As team President, Holmgren absolutely has power, but is on the business side of the team. As far as player and roster diecisions go, Hextall is in control and that, and Holmgren is not directly involved, with the exception perhaps of being a sounding board.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 10:36 AM ET
Staying on your feet not only helps you recover quicker defensively, but also means you're in better position to recover the puck and transition it, too.

Coaches like Babcock, Sutter, Q have been preaching that poop for years.

- Tomahawk


No question, majority of times if you leave your feet, you're done.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 23 @ 10:37 AM ET
Probably not
- ob18


Yeah, it depends on who picks them, too. Maybe Hanifin gets thrown right in if he goes to Edmonton. Less likely if it's Phoenix or Jersey.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jan 23 @ 10:37 AM ET
They knew Ghostisbehere would only be up for a few games, and was only called up due to injury. My point is they should do what is best for the player.
- MJL



And I am not saying they shouldn't do that either. But you also will never know until you see them against that competition. After the TDL if the Flyers are so far back what really would there to be there to lose. I think one reason you won't see Cousins and Leirer is if the Phantoms are contending to get into the playoffs.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 23 @ 10:38 AM ET
Staying on your feet not only helps you recover quicker defensively, but also means you're in better position to recover the puck and transition it, too.

Coaches like Babcock, Sutter, Q have been preaching that poop for years.

- Tomahawk


The only time I'd go down is on a cross-ice 2-on-1. Timonen was a master at this. But if you do it, you'd better hope your teammates are backchecking hard, because you're not gaining puck possession.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 10:38 AM ET
Have you ever worked in a front office? You know how many guys are kept around as "consultants", "advisers", kept around on the "business side".

A lot of the time it is because they are under contract and getting paid anyways and they are liked so they keep around so not to look like they are just moving them out.

Yes they might still do some things for the team but not nearly what you might think/

- J35Bacher



Really, Holmgren is not a consutant or an advisor. He is the team President.

Have you ever worked in an NHL front office?
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 10:38 AM ET
Yeah, it depends on who picks them, too. Maybe Hanifin gets thrown right in if he goes to Edmonton. Less likely if it's Phoenix or Jersey.
- Tomahawk


I also don't expect him to leave college right away
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 10:39 AM ET
And I am not saying they shouldn't do that either. But you also will never know until you see them against that competition. After the TDL if the Flyers are so far back what really would there to be there to lose. I think one reason you won't see Cousins and Leirer is if the Phantoms are contending to get into the playoffs.
- J35Bacher



May not be able to know with 100% certainty, but they have a good idea if a player is ready or not. A player shouldn't be brought up if they don't think he is ready.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 23 @ 10:39 AM ET
The only time I'd go down is on a cross-ice 2-on-1. Timonen was a master at this. But if you do it, you'd better hope your teammates are backchecking hard, because you're not gaining puck possession.
- jmatchett383



Timonen is the master at this. And part of it is because I "think" he makes a conscious effort to not take an angle that would have him sliding into his own goalie and taking both of them out of the play.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 23 @ 10:39 AM ET
And I am not saying they shouldn't do that either. But you also will never know until you see them against that competition. After the TDL if the Flyers are so far back what really would there to be there to lose. I think one reason you won't see Cousins and Leirer is if the Phantoms are contending to get into the playoffs.
- J35Bacher


Gostisbehere needs to get cleared and into game shape before he's even ready for the AHL again this year. I doubt he and/or Alt and/or Hagg see any significant time in the NHL this year unless it's the last 6-8 games and the Phantoms are out. Same for the forwards.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 10:40 AM ET
Yeah, it depends on who picks them, too. Maybe Hanifin gets thrown right in if he goes to Edmonton. Less likely if it's Phoenix or Jersey.
- Tomahawk


There are some good ones but personally I don't see any in the NHL right out of the gates
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jan 23 @ 10:40 AM ET
I don't agree again. The GM is in the Hockey operations department. Holmgren is the Team President and took over for Peter Luukko. As team President, Holmgren absolutely has power, but is on the business side of the team. As far as player and roster diecisions go, Hextall is in control and that, and Holmgren is not directly involved, with the exception perhaps of being a sounding board.
- MJL



Not totally accurate. Didn't David Scott take over the business side? I believe it is his vision they are going to be implementing on the business side of the team.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 23 @ 10:40 AM ET
I think Eichel will stay in college for another year

I think Strome & Zacha have a solid chance

- ob18


Will Eichel make that known to all the NHL teams before the draft? Would it effect where he's drafted?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 23 @ 10:41 AM ET
Timonen is the master at this. And part of it is because I "think" he makes a conscious effort to not take an angle that would have him sliding into his own goalie and taking both of them out of the play.
- MBFlyerfan


No, he always angled his body so he'd slide to the side of the net that the puck carrier was on. That way, you don't hit the goalie, and your body can help to stop a second cross-crease pass.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 10:41 AM ET
Gostisbehere needs to get cleared and into game shape before he's even ready for the AHL again this year. I doubt he and/or Alt and/or Hagg see any significant time in the NHL this year unless it's the last 6-8 games and the Phantoms are out. Same for the forwards.
- jmatchett383


They want Hagg`s contract to slide so if we even see him it won't be for anymore than 9 games
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jan 23 @ 10:41 AM ET
Really, Holmgren is not a consutant or an advisor. He is the team President.

Have you ever worked in an NHL front office?

- MJL



Not NHL but yes I have worked in the AHL front office. I worked in player operations and game night operations

I know what Holmgren title is.

I also understand how the structure works.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 10:41 AM ET
Not totally accurate. Didn't David Scott take over the business side? I believe it is his vision they are going to be implementing on the business side of the team.
- J35Bacher



He took over the same postition that Peter Lukko had.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 23 @ 10:42 AM ET
May not be able to know with 100% certainty, but they have a good idea if a player is ready or not. A player shouldn't be brought up if they don't think he is ready.
- MJL



I would think it wouldn't be that hard to determine that a guy playing in the AHL would be ready to take the next step to the NHL, even for a short stint. These guys, IE the coaches, front office, and scouts, are professionals after all.


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 10:42 AM ET
Not NHL but yes I have worked in the AHL front office.

I know what Holmgren title is.

I also understand how the structure works.

- J35Bacher



Which AHL team and what was your position?
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 10:42 AM ET
Will Eichel make that known to all the NHL teams before the draft? Would it effect where he's drafted?
- PLindbergh31


I'm sure both won't make that call right now, plenty of time to make it. I would also think teams won't be scared off by it either.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 10:42 AM ET
They want Hagg`s contract to slide so if we even see him it won't be for anymore than 9 games
- ob18



Good point.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Jan 23 @ 10:43 AM ET
Would you have traded Bobrovsky, Leighton, and a 3rd for Mason, Stolarz, Leier, and 1/2 season of Gagne? Because I certainly would, at this point.
- jmatchett383

Absolutely. Bob gets too much credit. Good goalie, but he isn't this superstar like he is made out to be.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jan 23 @ 10:44 AM ET
Which AHL team and what was your position?
- MJL



Why? Do you need to google my name and see if I am telling the truth?

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 10:44 AM ET
Absolutely. Bob gets too much credit. Good goalie, but he isn't this superstar like he is made out to be.
- GOA88



It's funny how the media works. He had a strong run in the lockout shortened season, now he's a star goalie. I'd take Mason at his salary over Bobrovsky and his future contracts.
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