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johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jan 23 @ 11:07 AM ET
I was Director of Player Personnel for the Primo Pizza 8-10 year olds in the Brigantine Hockey League for a few seasons.

- MBFlyerfan


That gig had to be enough to get you a few drinks at the old Circle bar or the Rod and Reel.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jan 23 @ 11:07 AM ET
Peter Lukko was the President and COO.

Holmgren was promoted to president but the COO part was what David Scott took over. It is his ideas they plan to implement on the business side moving forward. I am not saying Holmgren is just a figure head. But I don't think he has as much power on the business side as you might think.

It was a team with 75 years of history in the AHL.

- J35Bacher


Holmgren has a very important function as President in the Flyer organization.

Not only does take up space in the office so Jay Snider can't return , but he also curls all the paper clips back that Senior Vice President Bob Clarke straightens out.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jan 23 @ 11:08 AM ET
Holmgren has a very important function as President in the Flyer organization.

Not only does take up space in the office so Jay Snider can't return , but he also curls all the paper clips back that Senior Vice President Bob Clarke straightens out.

- 77rams


What I imagine my boss does.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jan 23 @ 11:09 AM ET
I think there may be confusion between "no power" and "no power in roster decisions". I think he has less power than Hextall in terms of personnel but is definitely consulted, especially when drafting, which he's been pretty good at for the most part.
- NickTheKid87


Maybe. They also have scouts for that, and it seems that ultimately Hexy is making the calls.

But you're right, perhaps 'power' is the wrong word, let's call it responsibilities, of which Homer almost certainly has quite a bit less now.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 11:09 AM ET
From what scouts are saying, Eichel staying at BU for his Sophomore year is a long shot. He may choose too though but many say he is NHL ready.
- NickTheKid87


If he does leave and they don't think he'll for whatever reason not make the team he'd have to go to Saint John in the QMJHL & so far for years he's turned them down over and over.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jan 23 @ 11:10 AM ET
I'd just die to be the Director of Marketing or Social Media Manager for the Wheeling Nailers...
- Tomahawk


West Virginia has a hockey team? Oh my.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 23 @ 11:10 AM ET
Honestly he was the best dman I've seen in my relatively short life in those 2-1 situations. What a great (frank)in player he was, man. The best Dman in the league that no one knew about.
- Giroux_Is_God



Used to say the same thing about Jimmy Watson in the late 70s and Desjardins in the mid and late 90s
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jan 23 @ 11:10 AM ET
If he does leave and they don't think he'll for whatever reason not make the team he'd have to go to Saint John in the QMJHL & so far for years he's turned them down over and over.
- ob18


Good point. He may want to stay in college if he isn't 100% sure he'll make the NHL roster for the long haul. Depends on who drafts him too.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jan 23 @ 11:11 AM ET
West Virginia has a hockey team? Oh my.
- wolfhounds



For some reason i think the Flyers kind of used them as an ECHL team for one season when they didn't have one.

I think
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jan 23 @ 11:12 AM ET
Maybe. They also have scouts for that, and it seems that ultimately Hexy is making the calls.

But you're right, perhaps 'power' is the wrong word, let's call it responsibilities, of which Homer almost certainly has quite a bit less now.

- wolfhounds


He definitely has less on the personnel side but he is probably heavily involving in advising and such. I don't think it's purely a figurehead position though. He'd be getting paid a lot of money just to show up at events.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 11:12 AM ET
Good point. He may want to stay in college if he isn't 100% sure he'll make the NHL roster for the long haul. Depends on who drafts him too.
- NickTheKid87


Same for Noah Hanifin who would have to report to Quebec of the QMJHL
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jan 23 @ 11:13 AM ET
If he does leave and they don't think he'll for whatever reason not make the team he'd have to go to Saint John in the QMJHL & so far for years he's turned them down over and over.
- ob18



I thought that too. i didn't know who had his rights.

I mean Sonny Milano decided against college so he could go to Columbus training camp and try to make the team. I am pretty sure he is in Plymouth
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Jan 23 @ 11:13 AM ET


love this schedule

6 games in 9 days followed by 3 games in 15 days
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Jan 23 @ 11:14 AM ET
For some reason i think the Flyers kind of used them as an ECHL team for one season when they didn't have one.

I think

- J35Bacher



yes
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jan 23 @ 11:16 AM ET
Same for Noah Hanifin who would have to report to Quebec of the QMJHL
- ob18


As a dman, I think he'll go back to BC regardless. But Eichel is an interesting case. Many scouts are saying he'd go #1 in any non-Crosby/McDavid draft. That would put him up there with Tavares, Stamkos, Yakupov, Ovechkin, Nash, MacKinnon, Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, Kane and all these guys stepped in and made an impact, some more than others.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 23 @ 11:16 AM ET
That gig had to be enough to get you a few drinks at the old Circle bar or the Rod and Reel.
- johndewar


I coached for 8 years in the Somers Point Street hockey league and it didn't even get me some tenders and a beer at Charlies!
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jan 23 @ 11:17 AM ET
love this schedule

6 games in 9 days followed by 3 games in 15 days

- -davies-

It seems to get worse every year.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 11:17 AM ET
I thought that too. i didn't know who had his rights.

I mean Sonny Milano decided against college so he could go to Columbus training camp and try to make the team. I am pretty sure he is in Plymouth

- J35Bacher


Same for another top rated defensemen in Zack Werenski who has his OHL rights held by the London Knights but is currently at the University of Michigan
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 11:18 AM ET
I thought that too. i didn't know who had his rights.

I mean Sonny Milano decided against college so he could go to Columbus training camp and try to make the team. I am pretty sure he is in Plymouth

- J35Bacher


Correct he's with the Plymouth Whalers
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 23 @ 11:23 AM ET
That gig had to be enough to get you a few drinks at the old Circle bar or the Rod and Reel.
- johndewar



I never paid for a drink at The Circle, but for different reasons.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 11:24 AM ET
Peter Lukko was the President and COO.

Holmgren was promoted to president but the COO part was what David Scott took over. It is his ideas they plan to implement on the business side moving forward. I am not saying Holmgren is just a figure head. But I don't think he has as much power on the business side as you might think.

It was a team with 75 years of history in the AHL.

- J35Bacher



Shawn Tilger is the COO. You haven't given one legitimate reason why he doesn't have as much power as I might think. Secondly, just because you claim that you've worked in an AHL front office, doesn't mean you have any more insight into how much power or responsibility Holmgren has, then I do. The janitor who cleans the toilets at night can also claim he works in an AHL front office. No offense intended, and not saying that applies to you.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jan 23 @ 11:26 AM ET
I coached for 8 years in the Somers Point Street hockey league and it didn't even get me some tenders and a beer at Charlies!

- BiggE


Love the wings at Charlies.....Hadn't been there in years, though.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 23 @ 11:27 AM ET
love this schedule

6 games in 9 days followed by 3 games in 15 days

- -davies-


A chance for the cavalry to get healthy.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 11:27 AM ET
They were polite and loyal to Homer, but in my opinion his title holds next to no power and he isn't involved with player personnel, the meat of the operation. He likely just sits in his office and looks out the window hoping for a phone call to make him feel important.

There's no way - none - you go from GM to team president and call it a promotion in any way but title. Of course, maybe Homer wanted out, and in that case it was win/win for him.

- wolfhounds



It is correct that Holmgren is not directly involved with player personell. I disagree that going from GM to Team President isn't a promotion. Team President is higher in the corporate heirarchy to GM. And there is zero basis to claim that he likely just sits in his office hoping the phone rings.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 23 @ 11:29 AM ET
Love the wings at Charlies.....Hadn't been there in years, though.
- johndewar



Tail and Ale!
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