Jsaquella
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Location: Bringing Hexy Back Joined: 06.16.2006
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Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: CLASS DISMISSED Joined: 12.15.2011
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Man that Syvret video was some Dude Perfect poop! |
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Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: CLASS DISMISSED Joined: 12.15.2011
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I sort of like the idea of the young guns team.
However, the misc team is a huge no go for me. Ouch. |
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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Bringing Hexy Back Joined: 06.16.2006
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I'm in the middle on the Gustafsson debate. I think he can come in and be a decent third pair NHL defenseman, but not much more. I definitely think MDZ is better-and by a good margin.
That said, I also agree that Gustafsson didn't really get much of a shot here. Laviolette seemed more interested in playing him than Berube, and the fact that Berube tagged Hal Gill for a playoff game ahead of Gustafsson shows that to be true.
Unfortunately it's still a league where size and grit sometimes trump skill. There's a reason Claude Giroux lasted until the 22nd pick. There's a reason Johnny Gaudreau was a 4th rounder.
But the two leading NHL scorers over the past 5 years are both under 6 foot tall-Giroux and St Louis. |
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mochoson
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Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ Joined: 02.28.2009
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1) Gus would be an underdog to crack any NHL top six. The pro scouts I've talked to, although none this season, were all lukewarm on him. For example, this was the assessment last spring from a longtime NHL pro scout who was also a long-tenured NHL defenseman: " I think Gus is a #7 dman on most NHL teams. I like his try and he has some offense, but lack of size and average skills will limit his upside. As long as his salary remains on the low side, he is an asset. He is replaceable if he wants too much money for me. - bmeltzer
Again, not gonna dispute what Gus is. I do think there was another level to his game that we never got to see because he was never truly given a REAL shot on this team IMO.
As "limited" as this scout describes him, one player I always come back to is Francis Bouillon - a guy that made a decent NHL career as a bottom pairing dman based basically on his strength alone. Not above average in any of his intangibles other then his strength and physicality, and barely average in most other areas including his natural skill set. Despite being a very, very small player, he played almost 800 NHL games.
I come back to that playoff game where Gus was absolutely schooling Malkin. If you can get defensive play out of a guy like that more often then not, he's worthy of a roster spot somewhere. I'd love to see Gus return to the NHL and see if he is improved at all after getting the ice time he wasn't going to get here under Lava or Berube. Just my opinion.
2) Neither one does any one thing quite well enough to be an NHL specialist nor are they more than average across-the-board where there are bigger-framed players who can do the same things. Both have a little bit of offensive game and make a good first pass. Gus is a bit better defensively, Larsen has a little more speed. Neither one is going to overpower anyone with his shot. Gus has a little more physicality but that's a relative term because Larsen pretty much has none.
I see the bolded as far bigger differences in there games than I guess everyone else does. They are similar players for sure. These bolded differences just stick out way more to me when watching games, hence why I said a "lazy comparison". But, to each his own. |
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mochoson
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Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ Joined: 02.28.2009
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I'm in the middle on the Gustafsson debate. I think he can come in and be a decent third pair NHL defenseman, but not much more. I definitely think MDZ is better-and by a good margin.
That said, I also agree that Gustafsson didn't really get much of a shot here. Laviolette seemed more interested in playing him than Berube, and the fact that Berube tagged Hal Gill for a playoff game ahead of Gustafsson shows that to be true.
Unfortunately it's still a league where size and grit sometimes trump skill. There's a reason Claude Giroux lasted until the 22nd pick. There's a reason Johnny Gaudreau was a 4th rounder.
But the two leading NHL scorers over the past 5 years are both under 6 foot tall-Giroux and St Louis. - Jsaquella
Bolded points are a culmination of how I feel towards Gus.....
He is what he is, but he was never given a fair crack at the NHL. From 11-12 to 13-14 he only played 155 games of pro hockey, and only 58 at the NHL level. In those 58 games, he was almost always used in a limited role.
That's atrocious player development IMO, varrying contributing factors aside (lock-out, injuries, etc). No matter what way you spin it, Gus never got a fair shot. I think he's a more than capable NHL player and because we have his rights, there's no reason we shouldnt be moderately interested. |
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2Real
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA Joined: 07.14.2007
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I'm in the middle on the Gustafsson debate. I think he can come in and be a decent third pair NHL defenseman, but not much more. I definitely think MDZ is better-and by a good margin.
That said, I also agree that Gustafsson didn't really get much of a shot here. Laviolette seemed more interested in playing him than Berube, and the fact that Berube tagged Hal Gill for a playoff game ahead of Gustafsson shows that to be true.
Unfortunately it's still a league where size and grit sometimes trump skill. There's a reason Claude Giroux lasted until the 22nd pick. There's a reason Johnny Gaudreau was a 4th rounder.
But the two leading NHL scorers over the past 5 years are both under 6 foot tall-Giroux and St Louis. - Jsaquella
playing hal gill over gusty means you have no grip on reality
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Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 07.13.2006
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playing hal gill over gusty means you have no grip on reality
- 2Real
Either that or Berube wanted an experienced (1,108 RS games, 111 PO) shot-blocker with size after Grossmann went down and Gus didn't fit that niche. Thngs didn't work out well in the one game Gill dressed, but there was reasoning behind it beforehand. |
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PhillySteen
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Scania Joined: 08.02.2011
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I'm sorry to have brought up Gus. I'll see myself out I'm a Swede so I'm obviously biased. |
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mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers |
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Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ Joined: 02.28.2009
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I'm sorry to have brought up Gus. I'll see myself out I'm a Swede so I'm obviously biased. - PhillySteen
It's quite alright. Flyers need to bring Gus back, the more Swedes, the better.
I mean, we want to make Mr. Babcock feel right at home next year, right? |
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2Real
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA Joined: 07.14.2007
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Either that or Berube wanted an experienced (1,108 RS games, 111 PO) shot-blocker with size after Grossmann went down and Gus didn't fit that niche. Thngs didn't work out well in the one game Gill dressed, but there was reasoning behind it beforehand. - bmeltzer
Gil was over his head and done in the NHL at that point. Gusty could have used that experience for his own development/benefit |
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Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: South Philadelphia, PA Joined: 07.23.2007
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Um Gustafsson, really?
Good on Mr. Hockey!
Jake had me cracking up with his Gaudreau move. |
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2Real
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA Joined: 07.14.2007
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Um Gustafsson, really?
Good on Mr. Hockey!
Jake had me cracking up with his Gaudreau move. - Pixote Andolini
i thought that move was silly and exactly why i don't give a poop about the all star game |
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ob18
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: That matters less than you hope it does Joined: 07.20.2007
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Another dumb idea comes out of the NHL front office... color me shocked.
(I really, really, really want to see Team Misc Europe win it now.) - Tomahawk
I don't like the format either, probably won't watch it because of it. |
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flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB Joined: 10.16.2008
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Joke of a format.
NHL is going to be a laughing stock next time a real tournament like the Olympics happen. Especially if it gets ideas of telling its players they cannot go compete. |
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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils |
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Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ Joined: 01.14.2011
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First player shown on the broadcast: Giroux
First player commentators talk about: Jake
If you didn't know any better you'd think they play for a good team. |
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ob18
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: That matters less than you hope it does Joined: 07.20.2007
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Tough day for McDavid (1 goal & 4 assists) & Strome (1 goal & 3 assists) |
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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils |
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Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ Joined: 01.14.2011
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My god. Worst sound mix ever. My guitar just committed suicide. |
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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils |
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Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ Joined: 01.14.2011
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Jake gets cheered. Nash gets boo'd. |
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black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Bumfuck, NJ Joined: 01.10.2015
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someone on another forum made a good point about team Misc. Euro...
good luck getting any of those guys to agree to play. what happens if all those players feel offended and decide to skip the games? |
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flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB Joined: 10.16.2008
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someone on another forum made a good point about team Misc. Euro...
good luck getting any of those guys to agree to play. what happens if all those players feel offended and decide to skip the games? - black_francis
I just really want to hear the anthem and see the jersey. Personally, and obviously I am far from it but if I was to play on that team I'd be offended.
NHL thinking it and NA are the king of the hockey world. Which they may be, but the arrogance is off-putting. |
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MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Be nice from now on, NJ Joined: 03.17.2006
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Jo Dee |
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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils |
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Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ Joined: 01.14.2011
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Jo Dee - MBFlyerfan
That got brutal real quick. |
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MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Be nice from now on, NJ Joined: 03.17.2006
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That got brutal real quick. - hereticpride
Is it me or are they half assing it more than usual?
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flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB Joined: 10.16.2008
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Is it me or are they half assing it more than usual? - MBFlyerfan
Saving the energy for the NHL World Cup, brought to you by _____. |
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