I thought both looked awful....solid D and goaltending at both ends...how does Giroux and Vorecek play under 18 minutes ?
- landros 2

Showing off the trade bait for other teams

So were back to .500. Washington and Florida lose. So you're saying that there's a chance. Hah

No I don't which is why I keep saying Meier as a player who could be possible

But still 5 months to go to know
- ob18

Then tell Mason to stop getting shutouts. Either way, good for the crew. Even if they would get a better player in the draft, I never want a culture of losing to be acceptable. That just hurts prospects, ask Buffalo and Edmonton.

I thought both looked awful....solid D and goaltending at both ends...how does Giroux and Vorecek play under 18 minutes ?
- landros 2

Refs let the players play and Berube rolled four lines for the most part. To me, when you are up 1-0 with two lead scorers in the league, you need to be more agressive and have a killer instinct. We sat back. It's another example why I'd fire Berube at season's end.

So were back to .500. Washington and Florida lose. So you're saying that there's a chance. Hah
- Hextall271

They won't make it, but I definitely want them to keep finding ways to win games

Speaking of ugly: I am weighing watching Oilers-Flames

Then tell Mason to stop getting shutouts. Either way, good for the crew. Even if they would get a better player in the draft, I never want a culture of losing to be acceptable. That just hurts prospects, ask Buffalo and Edmonton.
- flyer_nutter

This is exactly the way I see it. I want them to start winning like crazy and start to gain confidence as a group. You never want to see them get into the culture of losing like Edmonton.

They won't make it, but I definitely want them to keep finding ways to win games

Speaking of ugly: I am weighing watching Oilers-Flames
- AllInForFlyers

I know it's virtually impossible but I still want them to go on a year to end the season even if it worsens their draft slot.

This is exactly the way I see it. I want them to start winning like crazy and start to gain confidence as a group. You never want to see them get into the culture of losing like Edmonton.
- Hextall271

Yep. If you're aren't going to make a splash for a top pairing Dman then trade Kimmo, Grossman and eithe Coburn or Streit for picks. Don't break up the chemistry at this point.

I know it's virtually impossible but I still want them to go on a year to end the season even if it worsens their draft slot.
- Hextall271

I could care less about,the draft slot -- hell, I'd move that pick tomorrow to make this roster better, in the right deal for a good young player

I could care less about,the draft slot -- hell, I'd move that pick tomorrow to make this roster better, in the right deal for a good young player
- AllInForFlyers

In one of the deepest drafts ever? Not smart

In one of the deepest drafts ever? Not smart
- Santo_44

Losers live for draft picks -- other ways to build teams

Losers live for draft picks -- other ways to build teams
- AllInForFlyers

It's how you build good teams. It hurst now but in June you will be much happier with a good pick

It's how you build good teams. It hurst now but in June you will be much happier with a good pick
- Santo_44

Watching Oilers-Flames. Oilers aren't happy

Losers live for draft picks -- other ways to build teams
- AllInForFlyers

Not really no. In a sense yes but I'll get to that. Top line/pair players and elite goaltenders do not hit the FA often. If you are going to build a team you need to start from the draft. As an example I will use the LA Kings. They drafted the foundation of their cup winning team. Guys like Kopitar, Doughty, Brown(1st cup victory) and Quick. After that they used trades to fill up the team by adding Richards(1st cup, useless for the 2nd) and Carter.

To do anything via trade you need to trade something to get something. In other words you need to trade from a position of strength to get something to strengthen your weak areas. So in Philly's case they need to draft a Dman who becomes a #1 guy. We got Mason because we gave away Bobrovsky. IMO there is no position of strength right now. Right now our best LW is a Center, We lack a 2nd line center, our fourth line RW is overpaid. The D lacks a #1 and #2 Dman and Other than Mason there is no stand out goalie. Zepp hasn't played that great, neither has emery and it is too early to judge Stolarz. The Flyers need the draft.

In one of the deepest drafts ever? Not smart
- Santo_44

And we're going to keep out pick and maybe flip some assets for more picks. In not saying dont stockpile picks. Just don't construct a team that is so bad that they begin to lose so much it spirals out of control. Draft picks don't guarantee that you'll eventually construct a winner.

Watching Oilers-Flames. Oilers aren't happy
- AllInForFlyers

Well the fans

And we're going to keep out pick and maybe flip some assets for more picks. In not saying dont stockpile picks. Just don't construct a team that is so bad that they begin to lose so much it spirals out of control. Draft picks don't guarantee that you'll eventually construct a winner.
- Hextall271

No but it's a huge building block. Especially this draft

Just saw the highlights. Shame Vinny and MacDonald couldn't quite get those goals.

Dude on TSN talking about the Leafs:

This is simply getting ridiculous now. I mean... it's almost surreal and unbelievable. I've been waiting to see what happens after a decent while with a new coach before commenting on the Leafs' situation and I think it's been long enough now. The fact of the matter is simply that as much as last year's version of the Maple Leafs vindicated corsi proponents, this year's version will have the opposite effect. When the Leafs were constantly being outshot and were racking up goals and winning enough to at least be in a playoff spot or in a position to realistically challenge for one, people on these boards kept complaining about shot differentials. Well, now that the Leafs just had their lowest-scoring month in franchise history (a period of almost 100 years) and one of the worst months in general despite having a fairly solid month from a corsi perspective, what do the corsi pundits have to say? They outshot MIN, outshot WSH, held LA to 20 SOG, outshot ANA, outshot CAR, outshot OTT, outshot NJ and owned PHI in terms of shot differential and yet only won one game. Hockey isn't rocket science; it's a game that requires players to use their intuition in order to be at their best. Offensive players need to be able to have free reign to be creative, take some risks and make plays. When players become too fixated on certain things, they stop playing naturally and the result isn't good. I am not saying Carlyle should have fired since he clearly wasn't the right fit behind the bench, but really the change should have been made BEFORE the season started... or afterward. It takes time to get players to adapt to a new system and to incorporate their best qualities into an organized system of play.

No but it's a huge building block. Especially this draft
- Santo_44

And that's why we keep the picks we have and look to add more. Tanking is a slippery slope.

And that's why we keep the picks we have and look to add more. Tanking is a slippery slope.
- Hextall271

We aren't tanking. We aren't very good. Well. We are better then this. We Should be closer to battling for a playoff spot but us losing is a good thing. Players available in this draft are unbelievable. Mcdavid, Echiel, Hanafin, Marner, Strome, Zacha, Crouse Proberov all potential elite franchise players. It's important to get a player like that.

Dude on TSN talking about the Leafs:

This is simply getting ridiculous now. I mean... it's almost surreal and unbelievable. I've been waiting to see what happens after a decent while with a new coach before commenting on the Leafs' situation and I think it's been long enough now. The fact of the matter is simply that as much as last year's version of the Maple Leafs vindicated corsi proponents, this year's version will have the opposite effect. When the Leafs were constantly being outshot and were racking up goals and winning enough to at least be in a playoff spot or in a position to realistically challenge for one, people on these boards kept complaining about shot differentials. Well, now that the Leafs just had their lowest-scoring month in franchise history (a period of almost 100 years) and one of the worst months in general despite having a fairly solid month from a corsi perspective, what do the corsi pundits have to say? They outshot MIN, outshot WSH, held LA to 20 SOG, outshot ANA, outshot CAR, outshot OTT, outshot NJ and owned PHI in terms of shot differential and yet only won one game. Hockey isn't rocket science; it's a game that requires players to use their intuition in order to be at their best. Offensive players need to be able to have free reign to be creative, take some risks and make plays. When players become too fixated on certain things, they stop playing naturally and the result isn't good. I am not saying Carlyle should have fired since he clearly wasn't the right fit behind the bench, but really the change should have been made BEFORE the season started... or afterward. It takes time to get players to adapt to a new system and to incorporate their best qualities into an organized system of play.
- Pixote Andolini

The Leafs haven't had a legit number one center since they sqeezed whatever life Mats Sundin hadleft. Their current Captain is Dion Phaneuf. The expectation is for Phil Kessel and James van Riemsdyk to carry the team. Just think what they could all do if these three players were comfortable and not leaned so heavily on. Giroux and Voracek do a lot for us but I don't believe the weight of the team is heavily on them, at least not like Kessel and JvR.

The Leafs also have been trying to justify a 4 million dollar Tyler Bozak for along time now.

The Leafs have next to nothing to build upon.

I sure hope the Flyers re-sign Del Zotto. He has been very good when in the line up considering he couldn't get in earlier in the year. He can skate, loves to jump up into the play and is starting to get a nasty side as well. I really like his game a lot

I sure hope the Flyers re-sign Del Zotto. He has been very good when in the line up considering he couldn't get in earlier in the year. He can skate, loves to jump up into the play and is starting to get a nasty side as well. I really like his game a lot
- Daceroni

I'm on the fence with Del Zotto. Tonight's goal was a high risk, high reward play. If he misses the net, it could be an odd man rush the other way. He's still a young guy with a load of offensive upside but I'm not sure I like how he chooses to jump up into the play. I more so favour Streit's offensive defenseman style with less risk.

With all of this said, I'm happy to keep him but I'd also be more then willing to package him for a Oliver Ekman-Larrson, Tyler Myers or Cody Franson.

I'm on the fence with Del Zotto. Tonight's goal was a high risk, high reward play. If he misses the net, it could be an odd man rush the other way. He's still a young guy with a load of offensive upside but I'm not sure I like how he chooses to jump up into the play. I more so favour Streit's offensive defenseman style with less risk.

With all of this said, I'm happy to keep him but I'd also be more then willing to package him for a Oliver Ekman-Larrson, Tyler Myers or Cody Franson.
- SuperSchennBros

Cody Franson?