Schenns, Ghost, and this years 2nd

Or Couturier, Ghost, Haag, and this years 2nd
- mochoson

No ghost. Hagg, yes. Ghost no.

That's not bad but I'd rather morin than sanheim.
- Hextall271

Hagg ...

i just look at it this way. realistically. i dont think you guys will be THAT bad to get into the top 5. maybe im wrong. but that plays into it for me.

then i consider the fact that given where youll be picking, while in this draft its still nothing to sneeze at, and likely could be a very good player. the chances of that player being as good as OEL still are less than even (to me at least).

then when I consider the fact that OEL is already good now, and the fact that whoever drafted with that pick will likely need 2 years until they are contributing at a high level. i think if you put OEL on this team as it stands, next year the flyers are in the playoff mix.

OEL is essentially what you HOPE that you can achieve from this stockpile of prospects, without the 2 or 3 year waiting period eating into your window of prime giroux/jake years.
- stayinthefnnet

I agree with everything here. It would obviously help to know if we are picking in the top 5-6 of this draft. I still think landing OEL is possible without this years 1st. I have no problem including next years 1st. Just not this one.

Not when Connor McDavid is the top prize. Who knows where the Flyers finish. You never know.

For me Im not saying give him up for anything though..If you can work a deal for OEL without crippling the team and it includes Couturier then Ill drive him to the airport.

I just don't think Couturier is or will be good enough to warrant bypassing a chance at a number 1 dman under 30. I also wouldn't move Giroux , Voracek or Simmonds before moving Couturier.

To this point Couturier and Bschenn have had similar results though they have gone about them differently,. If some combo of 1 of Couturier\B Schenn, Prospect, Pick is enough to get OEL or a similar type legit , young, number 1 dmen that their shouldn't be any hesitation. The problem is I don't think that is enough to get it done and with all the defensive prospects inbound I'm not willing to gut the young players on the team.
- opeth_pa

Id love to get away with Schenn x2 plus the 1st RD pick.

Nope. Hagg is the only D prospect I'm willing to move. And only cuz of his inconsistent effort.
- section32

Kinda tough to ask for something great, for something...not so much...

i think if you guys could get OEL without parting with giroux or jake, you empty the chest. i wouldnt let this years first be a road block. or coots. im not saying give them every single piece, but i dont see any one single asset as being well nope thats a dealbreaker.
- stayinthefnnet

This team's forward corps sans Schenn and Coots would be hilariously abysmal. Having OEL on the back end would be (frank)ing awesome. Kid's one of my favorite non Flyers. But OEL does not a competent D corps make, ESPECIALLY on this team.

The Flyers minus Schenn and Coots but with OEL are worse off than this Flyers team right now.

As much as I'd love to see it, the Flyers are not going to trade for a top flight Dman under the age of 25 because of this reason.

i think if you guys could get OEL without parting with giroux or jake, you empty the chest. i wouldnt let this years first be a road block. or coots. im not saying give them every single piece, but i dont see any one single asset as being well nope thats a dealbreaker.
- stayinthefnnet

Couts + for OEL is worth talking about, I guess it depends on what the + is or how many pieces you have to add..

If they wanted Couts, +1st round, + Sanheim that would be a tough pill to swallow but I would think hard about it. Probably it is too much for me though, but I can see the argument both ways

Jake Voracek + for OEL is a non starter

This team's forward corps sans Schenn and Coots would be hilariously abysmal. Having OEL on the back end would be (frank)ing awesome. Kid's one of my favorite non Flyers. But OEL does not a competent D corps make, ESPECIALLY on this team.

The Flyers minus Schenn and Coots but with OEL are worse off than this Flyers team right now.

As much as I'd love to see it, the Flyers are not going to trade for a top flight Dman under the age of 25 because of this reason.
- Giroux_Is_God

we would turn into what AZ is now

we would turn into what AZ is now
- Marc D

lol wut

Couts + for OEL is worth talking about, I guess it depends on what the + is or how many pieces you have to add..

If they wanted Couts, +1st round, + Sanheim that would be a tough pill to swallow but I would think hard about it. Probably it is too much for me though, but I can see the argument both ways

Jake Voracek + for OEL is a non starter
- Marc D

Arizona wouldn't want Jake anyway.

I'm in the minority, but I think OEL is a bit overrated. I don't think he's one of the ten best defenseman in hockey right now.

Arizona wouldn't want Jake anyway.

I'm in the minority, but I think OEL is a bit overrated. I don't think he's one of the ten best defenseman in hockey right now.
- PhillySportsGuy

I do.

Let's fight.

Arizona wouldn't want Jake anyway.

I'm in the minority, but I think OEL is a bit overrated. I don't think he's one of the ten best defenseman in hockey right now.
- PhillySportsGuy

He could be in the near future. I can't totally disagree with you, because some of the packages being suggested to give up for OEL are crazy.

Arizona wouldn't want Jake anyway.

I'm in the minority, but I think OEL is a bit overrated. I don't think he's one of the ten best defenseman in hockey right now.
- PhillySportsGuy

Weber, Doughty, Chara, Pietrangelo, Subban, Keith, Karlsson....VERY solid arguements for Josi and Giordano....

But outside of those guys, idk how you put anyone else definitively over OEL. He's that good. 9th in the league in TOI for a dman. Offensive numbers are likely off the charts on a team that can actually score; still has 13 goals and 23 points.

I'd sell most of the farm for him.

I do.

Let's fight.
- Giroux_Is_God

Ok, but can we share a bottle of red wine first

we would turn into what AZ is now
- Marc D

Lol no. Mason>Smith, G and Jake > anyone on the Yotes roster.

Raffl G Jake
Read Schenn Simmonds
PEB Laughton RJ
VDV Vinny White

OEL Coburn
MDZ Schenn
Manning Grossman

Coots, this year's 1st, Morin for OEL

Streit for a 1st.

You're essentially trading Coots and Morin for OEL and moving down in the 1st round of the draft.

Weber, Doughty, Chara, Pietrangelo, Subban, Keith, Karlsson....VERY solid arguements for Josi and Giordano....

But outside of those guys, idk how you put anyone else definitively over OEL. He's that good. 9th in the league in TOI for a dman. Offensive numbers are likely off the charts on a team that can actually score; still has 13 goals and 23 points.

I'd sell most of the farm for him.
- mochoson

I think Suter can also be put on that list. Guys like Hedman, McDonagh, Carlson, Seabrooke, Letang can all have cases made. It's really about personal preference at that point.

I think there is a bit of unknown, which attracts people to OEL. He's a great player on a bad team in a non-hockey market. There is an expectation that he will become available via trade or FA at some point in his career.

Lol no. Mason>Smith, G and Jake > anyone on the Yotes roster.

Raffl G Jake
Read Schenn Simmonds
PEB Laughton RJ
VDV Vinny White

OEL Coburn
MDZ Schenn
Manning Grossman

Coots, this year's 1st, Morin for OEL

Streit for a 1st.

You're essentially trading Coots and Morin for OEL and moving down in the 1st round of the draft.
- hereticpride

Arizona will want more than that. Likely 2 first rounders with that package. I also think getting a first for Streit is hopeful, but far from a sure thing. Flyers would almost certainly need to eat a little money in order to get a first for Streit imo

OEL would certainly help the future, but what's required is probably too much.

I think Suter can also be put on that list. Guys like Hedman, McDonagh, Carlson, Seabrooke, Letang can all have cases made. It's really about personal preference at that point.

I think there is a bit of unknown, which attracts people to OEL. He's a great player on a bad team in a non-hockey market. There is an expectation that he will become available via trade or FA at some point in his career.
- PhillySportsGuy

I wanted to put Hedman on there, because he is top 10 talent wise IMO. But he's not even top 30 in TOI for dmen.

Suter is the only other guy I'd include. OEL is still top 10 for me.

Ok, but can we share a bottle of red wine first
- PhillySportsGuy

Whatever kind of mood you're in tonight

OEL would certainly help the future, but what's required is probably too much.
- jstross

For Oliver Ekman-Larrson who's been nothing short of outstanding since entering the league, it would be hard for me to part with Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn, Sean Couturier, Samuel Morin, Travis Sanhiem and this year's first round pick without taking a real look at our structure.

Gun to me head, if I'm asked to choose. Brayden Schenn, Travis Sanhiem and this year's first. That's as far as I go.

What I really want to offer up and hope they say yes is Michael Raffl, Scott Laughton, Robert Hagg and this year's first for OEL.

Lol no. Mason>Smith, G and Jake > anyone on the Yotes roster.

Raffl G Jake
Read Schenn Simmonds
PEB Laughton RJ
VDV Vinny White

OEL Coburn
MDZ Schenn
Manning Grossman

Coots, this year's 1st, Morin for OEL

Streit for a 1st.

You're essentially trading Coots and Morin for OEL and moving down in the 1st round of the draft.
- hereticpride

Streit just becomes a throw in in the deal? Can't just eliminate Streit, one of the top offensive D men in the League from the equation. What they're essentially doing is trading Streit to move down in the draft.

Streit just becomes a throw in in the deal? Can't just eliminate Streit, one of the top offensive D men in the League from the equation. What they're essentially doing is trading Streit to move down in the draft.
- MJL

i think he is trading Streit in a separate deal to replace the first round pick going to Arizona.

i think he is trading Streit in a separate deal to recoup the first round pick going to Arizona.
- MBFlyerfan

I understand that. He was posting what the end result of the two deals essentially is. Can't just eliminate Streit as an asset given up in the deal.

Legit top pairing defensemen are so hard to come by, that if a team is willing to part with one a slight over payment isn't a detriment.

I'd try to avoid any prospects but I certainly wouldn't try and be married to a whole lot on this current Flyers roster if I'm Hextall.