IMO the depth at forward has made them look much better than they are.

They remind me of the 05-06 Sabres.
- sbroads24

I also have to think that being relatively stable on the back end has helped.

Yeah, I hear you with all that. "Capable" isn't necessarily a horse like Myers. That's why I am also of the mindset that it has to be a significant overpayment.
- Slump Buster

Definitely not. Like I said before, if Vatanen is part of the deal coming back, I would definitely like that. Vatanen can run the Power Play, make Bryan Allen and Clayton Stoner look great, and contribute offensively. In a "smaller/less physical" conference, it's even better.

So sad but true
- sbroads24

There always seems to be excuses made for Myers.

It's never ever Myers fault.

And listen, I am not starting anything.

It's just the truth and I find it so amusing now.

Don't you see? It's the same posters busting on how poor Moulson is playing or Ennis or whomever.

I honestly enjoy the entertainment here now.

I don't think anyone doesn't fault Myers' when his time is due. I think there are plenty of players above him before he takes the bulk of the blame though. Just my opinion.
- thatsapickle

Plenty who get built up to be more than they are? Overrated? Are there as many that have as many excuses made for their failures as he does? I don't know any that get the huge amount that he does. Moulson gets some for whatever reason.

I don't think anyone doesn't fault Myers' when his time is due. I think there are plenty of players above him before he takes the bulk of the blame though. Just my opinion.
- thatsapickle

It's cool pickle, seriously.

I just find it funny is all.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Other players are being beaten down because they are under performing but God forbid you do that to Myers.

They are ALL playing with the same roster of players.

The double standard is what I find entertaining.

It's like cops that drive around on their cell phone devices.
I mean I thought EVERYONE is supposed to be "hands free".
I find that double standard very offensive to me.

But like I said pickle, it's cool, I enjoy this.

Plenty who get built up to be more than they are? Overrated? Are there as many that have as many excuses made for their failures as he does? I don't know any that get the huge amount that he does. Moulson gets some for whatever reason.
- GilPerreault11

Who have Myers' partners been the last 3 seasons?

Who have the forwards been in front of him?

Now, figuratively, put him on a team with a competent partner and competent forwards... what does his game look like?

EDIT: does this team have a defensive coach? I haven't looked, but that could be part of it as well.

The Ducks have Scott Niedermayer as a Defensive coach. He doesn't travel with the team, but works with the defense when they are home.

It's cool pickle, seriously.

I just find it funny is all.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Other players are being beaten down because they are under performing but God forbid you do that to Myers.

They are ALL playing with the same roster of players.

The double standard is what I find entertaining.

It's like cops that drive around on their cell phone devices.
I mean I thought EVERYONE is supposed to be "hands free".
I find that double standard very offensive to me.

But like I said pickle, it's cool, I enjoy this.
- BuffaloHardHat

I didn't want to come off negative, which is why I deleted my post.

I think the comments are interesting also. Myers is not the player we want him to be, but there has to be reasons outside of him peaking, in my opinion. It could be my naivety, but I think he is much better than people give him credit for.

Who have Myers' partners been the last 3 seasons?

Who have the forwards been in front of him?

Now, figuratively, put him on a team with a competent partner and competent forwards... what does his game look like?
- thatsapickle

You can say that about other forwards, other Dmen but for some reason everyone feels the need to shelter the"best player on the team." I'm sure Hodgson would be playing better with better players, Ennis would have better numbers with better players, Risto would be having a better season but everyone needs to come to the aid of the biggest guy on the team.

Risto has a better hockey sense then Myers as a rookie, he knows where to play the puck. Myers tosses the puck away a ton, doesn't run a PP well, gets burned in his own end regularly but that is not allowed to be said here. When/if he is traded it is going to be to be because of his size/skating and potential at age 25 not necessarily his production over the last few years.

It could be my naivety, but I think he is much better than people give him credit for.
- thatsapickle

He may be pickle.

Trust me when I tell ya, i'd love to see it.

You can say that about other forwards, other Dmen but for some reason everyone feels the need to shelter the"best player on the team." .
- GilPerreault11

Exactly my point Gil, well stated.

By the way Myers is not the "best player on the team".

That's Mike Weber.

You can say that about other forwards, other Dmen but for some reason everyone feels the need to shelter the"best player on the team." I'm sure Hodgson would be playing better with better players, Ennis would have better numbers with better players, Risto would be having a better season but everyone needs to come to the aid of the biggest guy on the team.

Risto has a better hockey sense then Myers as a rookie, he knows where to play the puck. Myers tosses the puck away a ton, doesn't run a PP well, gets burned in his own end regularly but that is not allowed to be said here. When/if he is traded it is going to be to be because of his size/skating and potential at age 25 not necessarily his production over the last few years.
- GilPerreault11

Myers has won a Calder. He plays the most minutes against the toughest competition. Why would you think he isn't our best player?

Hodgson has played with the best players we could put him with and has been equally invisible. I still think that Myers has the potential, like many GMs seem to be interested in as well. That's why if/when he's moved, I hope it's to the Ducks so I can still find interest in following him.

The reason I defend Myers is because I believe he can be better. I don't think he has peaked. I think he is a product of his surroundings. If you look back at his best seasons, the team was significantly better.

He may be pickle.

Trust me when I tell ya, i'd love to see it.
- BuffaloHardHat

I think we will see it when he has a different emblem on his jersey.

Exactly my point Gil, well stated.

By the way Myers is not the "best player on the team".

That's Mike Weber.
- BuffaloHardHat

Now that is just pushing it

I cant figure out what people want from Myers.. Norris caliber? ppg? hell do you want him to suit up and win the vezina too?

Id say everyone is underachieving on this team. No one is clear of criticism, Myers should be near the bottom of that list. Near the top should be "master motivator" Ted Nolan.

The only thing i liked about the Nolan hire was the little bit of nostalgia that came with it, and the transparency of him being a placeholder. I do believe he should get a chance with a roster that is at least capable of competing in the AHL, but it should be on a very short leash.

Myers has won a Calder. He plays the most minutes against the toughest competition. Why would you think he isn't our best player?

Hodgson has played with the best players we could put him with and has been equally invisible. I still think that Myers has the potential, like many GMs seem to be interested in as well. That's why if/when he's moved, I hope it's to the Ducks so I can still find interest in following him.

The reason I defend Myers is because I believe he can be better. I don't think he has peaked. I think he is a product of his surroundings. If you look back at his best seasons, the team was significantly better.
- thatsapickle

He had a Calder Trophy and Hodgson was a top ten pick. Those are all in the past, what have they done lately? Myers is playing a lot of minutes on one of the worst NHL teams of all time and Myers plays a part in making it one of the worst teams of all time. I'm not saying that Myers is terrible I just don't think he is what some think he is on here. I haven't seen him rushing the puck, playing as the dynamic player he was for part of his rookie year which was 6 years ago now except in bits and pieces.

You can say that about other forwards, other Dmen but for some reason everyone feels the need to shelter the"best player on the team." I'm sure Hodgson would be playing better with better players, Ennis would have better numbers with better players, Risto would be having a better season but everyone needs to come to the aid of the biggest guy on the team.
- GilPerreault11

Do you think hodgson is doing anything to help himself? You can obviously say X and Y would be having better seasons with more talent on the roster, myers IMO is having a decent year and is mostly doing it by himself.

Fixed
- grand-magus

and how about those NHL studs he has helped

Do you think hodgson is doing anything to help himself? You can obviously say X and Y would be having better seasons with more talent on the roster, myers IMO is having a decent year and is mostly doing it by himself.
- ieetbred

That's what I was trying to say, but couldn't find the right words.

Myers is doing the best with what he has. He has to rush the puck and then skate back because the team can't maintain possession in the offensive zone. It has to take a toll and then to add to it it's not worth rushing the puck when you have to be the first or second one back to prevent an odd man rush.

I think we will see it when he has a different emblem on his jersey.
- thatsapickle

You may be right.

You may be right.
- BuffaloHardHat

The converse to that, is Hodgson doesn't seem that he will do any better anywhere else.

I would rather have Paul Bissonnette than Hodgson at this point.

The converse to that, is Hodgson doesn't seem that he will do any better anywhere else.

I would rather have Paul Bissonnette than Hodgson at this point.
- thatsapickle

I want to know what happened to 20g hodgson. The dude puts in the offseason work and has gotten it done on a crap team before. It makes him look even worse

Do you think hodgson is doing anything to help himself? You can obviously say X and Y would be having better seasons with more talent on the roster, myers IMO is having a decent year and is mostly doing it by himself.
- ieetbred

I could have used any player as an example who is having a bad season who would play better with better players that everyone says Myers would do but never get the benefit of the doubt, never get sheltered like Myers does.

Myers is not playing great in the offensive zone, and is average in the D zone. If that's a decent year and he's doing by himself because Gorges isn't a good enough D partner, then so be it. Top players on teams raise others up and make others around them better.

Anyway, my point wan't that Myers a terrible/bad player but that many fans shelter his short comings when compared to other players on the team.

There always seems to be excuses made for Myers.

It's never ever Myers fault.

And listen, I am not starting anything.

It's just the truth and I find it so amusing now.

Don't you see? It's the same posters busting on how poor Moulson is playing or Ennis or whomever.

I honestly enjoy the entertainment here now.
- BuffaloHardHat

My problem isn't that he can't score this year, it never has been. Problem is he is 31 years old. If he can't produce now, it doesn't look good as he gets even further away from his prime

Now that is just pushing it
- GilPerreault11

My problem isn't that he can't score this year, it never has been. Problem is he is 31 years old. If he can't produce now, it doesn't look good as he gets even further away from his prime
- sbroads24

But the same excuse can be made for Moulson that is being made for Myers is all I am trying to say.